Which is better Linux Interface or MS Vista?

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  1. #31

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMoo
    This is telling of many things, firstly you're not running headless, no disk images, no SAN, and you don't have a PXE boot build environment. This translates to a small hack operation.
    I'm not an administrator in profession. I build servers for testing and for my own use only. I don't run SAN here. The last time I ran PXE boot was about 6 yrs ago testing thin clients on LTSP and K12ltsp projects.

    I did headless installation on FreeBSD about 3 years ago, also for testing. Most servers can be headless and remotely admin via SSH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMoo
    Just sounds like you're using a lame website and haven't heard of w3m.
    How about we are all nice here? There aren't that many users that can discuss in depth stuff, we don't have to get into a who has the longest console cable competition.

    satimis, to me you sound quite capable. I still think that getting X up regardless how light it is, is a waste. You download it or copy it, configure it, waste disk space as X which is a disk hog.

    As for not having to use two machine is flawed logic. You are setting up servers, which typically have clients connected to them. In nearly all cases you will have another PC around that can have ssh installed, can have all the URLs to the stuff you may need already eg. series of commands in notepad you can paste into ssh for a custom build of an application.

    One thing that I've started to use (not for installs) is sftpdrive, which you an SMB type mount under Windows and runs over SSH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hk.com
    There aren't that many users that can discuss in depth stuff,
    The highly specialist knowledge about using a web browser,



    So far this has only been a one-sided e-penis competition.

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    >> There aren't that many users that can discuss in depth stuff,
    >> we don't have to get into a who has the longest console cable
    >> competition.

    It is precisely this that turns me of Linux and discussions on other religious issues.....


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    Quote Originally Posted by hk.com
    Quote Originally Posted by MrMoo
    ..... Are you trying to impress someone with "experience in text browsing?" Just sounds like you're using a lame website and haven't heard of w3m.
    How about we are all nice here? There aren't that many users that can discuss in depth stuff, we don't have to get into a who has the longest console cable competition.
    Good suggestion.

    ELinks, Lynx, w3m, etc. are not unknown to me.

    I can't trust my eyes. There is a funny website hoisted by a big charity corporation in HongKong, HK Jocky Club;
    http://www.hkjc.com

    I'm not a gambler nor interested on gambling. It was by chance browsing their site with Firefox. Their site sensored me to a warning page saying something "... your browser NOT supported. Use Internet Explorer (IE)"

    This happened to me exactly about 8 years ago on online banking. I ran "Netscape/Konqueor/Mozilla" (sorry, I can't recall exactly which browser). I was not allowed to get in and sensored to a warning page requesting me running IE. I called my Banker to let me in to my A/C. My bank refused on the ground of security reason. In fact it is NOT for such a reason. I succeeded visiting their site with the browser identified as IE.

    I have been involved on webpage design before. I fully understand that it is NOT an easy task to make a webpage displayed exactly on all major browsers. It needs advanced technigue, knowhow, experience and time consuming as well. What will be the easiest solution? Simply sensor other browsers to a warning page, only allowing the browser used testing your work to get in. How to choose a browser for testing the webpage after finish its building? Use the most popular browser to do this job. Unfortunately most people run the buggy IE. That is the case.

    I succeeded running Opera and FF identified as IE visiting Jocky Club site. Some icons were found missing there together with the embeded links because they run MS Virtual Machine (VM) (Sun Java must be disabled). Then I found the missing links on running TEXT browser.

    I made a further test running IE on Linux via wine visiting their site. But still I can't overcome the problem of VM which can't run on wine. I stopped there. I'll continue the test when time allows.


    satimis, to me you sound quite capable. I still think that getting X up regardless how light it is, is a waste. You download it or copy it, configure it, waste disk space as X which is a disk hog.

    As for not having to use two machine is flawed logic. You are setting up servers, which typically have clients connected to them. In nearly all cases you will have another PC around that can have ssh installed, can have all the URLs to the stuff you may need already eg. series of commands in notepad you can paste into ssh for a custom build of an application.
    I absolutely agree. I run server for testing and for personal use only. I'm not an adminstrator in profession nor working on DataCenter. I build server on Deskstop cabinet not on 19" 1U/2U rack chasis. In the latter case I need a headless server and remote access/administration.

    Previously I maintained several machines, for testing GlobusToolKit (grid computing), jboss (Business Intelligent), etc. on each machine. After finishing testing erased the machine for another purpose. Now I'm going to abandon this arrangement. I'm building a robust virtual machine running server application on the Host OS and reserving the Guest OS for other testing purpose. What virtualization package shall I use? Laying in front of me are Xen, VMWare, Qemu, VirtualBox, etc. Xen is more powerful than VMWare. I think I'll select VMWare and test Xen on LiveCD.

    One thing that I've started to use (not for installs) is sftpdrive, which you an SMB type mount under Windows and runs over SSH.
    I heard SftpDrive before
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SftpDrive

    but never test it because I don't run Windows. I have an old version WinXP resting on shelve permanently which is only used for reference on hardware dispute. Hardware suppliers can't escape their responsibility claiming that "we don't support Linux/Unix". Previouly I succeeded making ASUS to replace a new mobo and a pair of 2G DualChannel DDR2 RAM and 2thMax a new mobo. I did not need their support. If they can make Windows run on their hardware I can make Linux/Unix run on the same w/o problem.


    I'll reply "Stealth Firewalls" in another topic later.


    satimis

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnowItAll
    >> There aren't that many users that can discuss in depth stuff,
    >> we don't have to get into a who has the longest console cable
    >> competition.

    It is precisely this that turns me of Linux and discussions on other religious issues.....
    Oh Yeah. That is why you will not give FreeBSD a shot. You are just as bad as the rest.

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    Wow pretty cool discussion I was bored at home after a late night of deployments. I am moving to HK next year and found this site then saw the tech section wanted to see what knowledge is here.

    Seems like there are some people here with some good knowledge. I am a linux user I love it, I run gentoo it is very good for customizing your desktop/ server what ever you use. But I also use windows for some things it has a purpose and can be useful I am not am not biased just towards open source stuff, if I am going to make a machine for a friend for relative if their knowledge is low, it is going to be windows all the way, the last thing I want to do is support it, there is enough windows users out to help them for me. I would rather spend my time on my own projects. Each to their own I say.

    I have used the compiz window manager that was posted at the start of this thread it does some really cool things, but I am sure the admins here in this forum don't really care about eye candy I surely don't, I got my first nerds calling when I got excited about seeing a terminal for the first time and the cool things I can do with it, knowing I can simplify tasks with just a few commands. Most of us just want to get the job done in the least amount of time and have more time to play :-) I mean isn't that what being a sysadmin is all about?


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    Quote Originally Posted by aussben
    if I am going to make a machine for a friend for relative if their knowledge is low, it is going to be windows all the way, the last thing I want to do is support it, there is enough windows users out to help them for me. I would rather spend my time on my own projects.
    This would be a great disservice. Most people would make their choice dependent on what the user needs, i.e. applications to run, hardware to support: WIFI, printers, etc. If the needs were completely satisfied by the big three: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, my first and second would not be out of Microsoft. If only for virus & spyware vulnerability alone, its preferable just to not to go there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMoo
    ... If the needs were completely satisfied by the big three: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, my first and second would not be out of Microsoft. If only for virus & spyware vulnerability alone, its preferable just to not to go there.
    I agree with aussben, for most people ("friend or realative") a properly set up relatively inexpensive (rules out Apple) Windows system is gonna suit them down to the ground. If people are using a computer at work they will be able to look after themselves at home. Even for slightly techie issues that they cannot handle most of their friends will have some helpful words/experience.

    In my experience most people don't want to get under the hood of their computer from a software or hardware point of view. Move away from that then absoloutely the world is your oyster.


    KIA: I think this thread earned its way as a forum post rather than in with the blogs.. what do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMoo
    This would be a great disservice. Most people would make their choice dependent on what the user needs, i.e. applications to run, hardware to support: WIFI, printers, etc. If the needs were completely satisfied by the big three: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, my first and second would not be out of Microsoft. If only for virus & spyware vulnerability alone, its preferable just to not to go there.
    Thanks Meerkat

    I agree with you MrMoo to some point but what you just said is not most people, you are thinking like a tech head, most people in my experience just want to press a button, get on the net, print sth, check theirs emails, they don't really care the os flavor, they don't want to spend hours setting it up, they just want it to work, they all have the positives and negatives. The exploits our there because the majority of home users use it. If linux got out there first and was used by the mass numbers I am sure there would be exploits in the numbers as well. I agree with you windows does have a lot of exploits, but the sad fact Bill Gates got it into the mass number of homes and commercial hardware companies are going to write the software and drivers for it first. The Beta VHS story really.

    What is your primary os?

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