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    Forbes: Merchants Of Doubt: How Public Health Uses Tobacco Tactics Against E-Cigarettes


    Public mistrust of e-cigarettes is rising after years of misinformation and scaremongering from some of the nation's leading health bodies.

    The Surgeon General, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention as well as a host of researchers and activists have contributed to an environment where e-cigarettes are presumed guilty until proven innocent.

    This is in spite of the fact that the overwhelming consensus is that e-cigarettes are significantly safer than combustible cigarettes. A landmark report from the Royal College of Physicians found e-cigarettes are unlikely to exceed 5% of the risks of regular cigarettes. There is also solid data that e-cigarettes are helping smokers quit regular cigarettes.

    Unfortunately, an increasingly militant part of the public health movement has set its face against vaping and harm reduction in favor of a near religious-like adherence to nicotine abstinence.

    Instead of welcoming e-cigarettes as a harm reduction tool, many in the world of tobacco control have sought to emphasize every possible negative of e-cigarettes while ignoring all possible benefits, resulting in poor advice and even worse policy proposals


    The hostility toward e-cigarettes is so great that attempts to sow doubt about the relative risks of vaping versus smoking bear a striking resemblance to the efforts of tobacco companies in the 20th century to mask the true nature of their products.

    For years, dubious research papers focusing on the risks e-cigarettes have been accompanied by press releases bursting with hyperbole and misleading claims. Journalists hungry for a good headline often seize upon these reports unquestioningly accepting their most dramatic claims or worst possible conclusions.


    "E-cigarettes are no safer than smoking tobacco, scientists warn" and "E-cigs just as harmful as tobacco for teeth and gums" are just two examples of the numerous headlines that have added to the public confusion on the real risks of vaping.

    In 2016, the Huffington Post was forced to make several corrections to a video featuring none other than Governor Andrew Cuomo's sister, Dr. Margaret Cuomo, after she made a number of false claims, including that an e-cigarette is "at least as harmful to your health as a regular tobacco cigarette."

    A more recent example of the misuse of e-cigarette research was a study from Virginia Commonwealth University. Professor Stanton Glantz at the University of California, San Francisco used the paper to show that experimenting with vaping causes young people to start smoking. The study, in fact, showed no such thing.


    Several years of the background noise of claim and counterclaim has contaminated the public's understanding of relative risk and harm reduction. Constant panics of teen vaping and unproven "gateway" effects take prominence in media coverage over the potential benefits of smokers switching to vaping.

    The more public mistrust of e-cigarettes puts off smokers from even trying vaping as a quit option.

    What should've been one of the best good news stories of the 21st century, namely that technological progress is creating jobs and businesses by making it enjoyable for people to quit smoking, has turned into a bitter debate shrouded in half-truths and embellished claims.


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    You're not quitting smoking, you're changing the delivery method for your addiction. Maybe it is safer, maybe it isn't, I don't personally care but it's certainly not a good thing to get kids to start regardless or not if it's a gateway to cigarettes nor is it a good thing to keep doing instead of smoking. The desirable outcome is to stop undesirable and harmful behaviors altogether. To call this potentially one of the best good news of the 21st century is ridiculous. It's not a cure, it's a crutch like nicotine gum or patches.

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    can't believe I didn't see this and debunk it immediately.

    The article calls it a pen which is a misnomer. It was a mech mod which has no circuitry built in to prohibit the device from operating at dangerous levels.

    Technically, the battery exploded.

    *** WARNING DO NOT DO THIS ***
    I am NOT advocating this but if you took a high amp battery and did something extremely stupid like putting it in your pocket with other metallic objects. IT WILL EXPLODE.
    *** WARNING DO NOT DO THIS ***

    A mech mod is 'mechanical'. There is literally no electronics to malfunction. It's like those grade school science experiments where you connect the 2 ends of a battery to a lightbulb and watch it illuminate. Claiming this 'vape pen' exploded is like saying a piece of wire exploded.

    If you set gasoline on fire, it will burn. We don't start demanding the government stars banning gasoline do we?


    Anyway, on another lighter note. Does anyone know of any source to buy JUUL pods in HK? PM me would be appreciated.

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    It is good that HK has banned these devices.


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    Zyban bupropion and Chantix Varenicline are tested and approved by the FDA and elsewhere authorities for smoking cessation.
    When combined with counselling (the NHS in UK offers 12 weeks x 1 session per week face to face counselling) the results are 3 times more effective than NRT patches which hold either 7, 14 or 21mg nicotine.
    A smoker of hi nicotine cigarettes like Marlboro Red will receive a nicotine yield of approx. 50mgs nicotine if they smoke a pack a day.
    A 21mg nicotine NRT patch is therefore unlikely to appease that smokers craving.
    The tobacco industry for years pushed the ISO smoking machine test whereas the Canada Intense test method reflects the actual nicotine and tar the smoker ingests.

    https://www.rivm.nl/en/news/rivm-mea...-in-cigarettes

    download the charts bottom of page here and see what you are actually ingesting
    https://www.rivm.nl/en/tobacco/filte...taten-van-tnco

    Vaping just moves the nicotine addiction to another delivery method as well as having numerous toxins that lead to heart disease, mouth, throat, lung and bladder cancers , DNA strand damage and toxic aldehydes generated by the pyrolysis of ecig flavorings.
    In a recent study in Australia 12 tested products said to contain only flavors, also contained nicotine.
    To date no e-cig juice product has been submitted to a competent authority anywhere to be tested to be certified as either a harm reduction product or a smoking cessation aid.
    The reason is of course that the manufacturers all know they will fail.

    Here are the results of a 4 year study on counselling /Varenicline combination if you vape or smoke you should read this.. This is your way forward.
    https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/6/1/e009381


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    Carrie Lam overuled the nurse in charge of HK Health Bureau & listened to the medical experts


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