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  1. #1251

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    Quote Originally Posted by mengfei:
    BTW how does one define "Seriously Good Coffee"
    Bring Italians to HK and let them decide.

    Hands down…
    McCafe Espresso won
    Americano with extra shot and less water & Cappuccino (with the Chocolate powder skipped, less milk and extra shot )

    Keep in mind one thing…
    McCafe small/medium/large are 1/2/2 shot coffees… thus between large and medium Americano you’re paying for water. Get a medium with an extra shot for $1 more than large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jgl:
    This makes me curious about McDonald's coffee... now I want to try some.
    @ByeByeEngland it’s imperative that if you listen to one thing I say on this site, do NOT drink MCD coffee but rather McCafe coffee! The confusion will be regretted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by esque:
    I've been in Hong Kong for over a month now, and the best coffee I've been served was at a McCafe. Seriously.
    ^^ Posted in 2006 and it’ll be the same in 2056.
    50 years of no change…

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    % arabica and Omotesando?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dominic:
    the best place for a relatively dark roast blend americano/long black. The best place I've experienced so far has been Just Shot in Pacific Place, but would like to try some alternatives on HK island.
    Ninety's is not bad, but wasn't a rich or full tasting americano.
    Cheers.
    From past posts, you've been a coffee lover since 2011, at least, so my guess is you know your coffee well and just want more of an update on cafe that offers dark roast blend.

    To begin with, I'm not a fan of dark roast and, apart from Ninety, couldn't think of one in the much talk-about third wave movement these days.

    As you used to like/mention Fuel Espresso a while back from one of your posts (you complained about Fuel's bitterness vs my experience of not bitter for Fuel so I wonder whether it's a one-off or that barista issue as I have decent coffee if I don't look at its pricing and don't care about their attitude ) I wonder you try those Japanese cafes for darker roast (at least you like Blue Bottle Korea. I haven't had Blue Bottle Korea but I guess it's quite closed to Blue Bottle Japan in a sense they adjust their coffee to local taste profile vs what they offer in the US)

    1. %arabica which seems to be everywhere in Asia. https://arabicacoffee.hk/
    2. Omotesando Lee Tung Avenue


    The coffee should be on a darker side and the ambience are nice if you don't mind paying $$$. Of the two, I prefer Omotesando but it's not on my list if I want to go out for coffee, FYI
    Last edited by boblam07; 23-06-2022 at 01:24 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mengfei:
    BTW how does one define "Seriously Good Coffee"


    Quote Originally Posted by hike:
    Bring Italians to HK and let them decide.
    Not trying to define the term but this post was started by esque in 2006 who has an Australian background.

    At the time and quite some years later, coffee that was considered good around here was significantly influenced by Australia/New Zealand coffee where, at the time, claimed to be the best place to have coffee outside Italy/the second best place to have coffee (I don't hear this anymore these days).

    McCafe is also a product of Australia that reverberates through the whole McDonald's world. In its early days, McCafe Hong Kong was run and its barista were trained by serious coffee people who made it to competitions; they are not at McD any more but either work in other departments or left to work for independent cafes around town and outside Hong Kong.

    Quote Originally Posted by esque:
    I've been in Hong Kong for over a month now, and the best coffee I've been served was at a McCafe. Seriously.

    Where in this town can I find good coffee? Not bitter, American-style, franchise coffee with warty foam, but delicious, subtly rich, creamy coffee with microfoam. Fair trade might be too much to ask...

    I'm developing a kind of tolerance to the starbucks/pacific stuff and can definitely live with it, but I'd love a really good cup of coffee every now and then.

    I searched the forums but only found a reference to a place selling good beans - I don't have an espresso machine and I like hanging out in cafes.
    Last edited by boblam07; 23-06-2022 at 02:03 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hike:
    @ByeByeEngland it’s imperative that if you listen to one thing I say on this site, do NOT drink MCD coffee but rather McCafe coffee! The confusion will be regretted.
    Will do and the comparison is purely going to be between that and Starbucks rather than other specialist places.

    we have so many springing up in Sai Kung now it’s almost like a UK high street.
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    I'd be interested to read if others have found % chain to be any good. It strikes me very strongly as another style over substance brand. Only tried it once myself, it was the branch that opened to capitalise on a massively popular Instagram spot, and the fashionably dressed barista was sufficiently inexperienced that he could not confidently hold a coffee cup. Coffee was not good. That branch had been operating at least six months before I visited.

    A friend visited the IFC location also reported bad coffee.

    So I'm wondering if we were both just unlucky, or if it really is a fashion victim cafe. Because it sure looks like one from the branding.


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    As an Australian in HK for ~20 years ...
    2000-2010 - 404 coffee not found, the only "options" were Starbucks and Pacific Coffee, I preferred Pacific Coffee
    2010-2015 - the rise of McCafe - OMG OMG - decent coffee at fair prices!! we're saved!
    2015-2018 - "third wave" coffee enters the scene, fancy coffee at kinda/sorta decent prices
    2018-Present Day - fancy coffee at fancy prices, $45 for a latte?!

    I have to say it's a challenge to bring myself to buy coffee outside (except for social reasons) when the coffee I make at home on my espresso machine bought on carousell for a song is more than decent...

    At least we have options now.

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    Yeah, $45 for tiny (tiny!) latte is a reality for nerdy fancy HK cafes. That makes McCafe unbeatable for the price - for getting $20 McMuffin etc add only +$5 and get pretty decent Americano/Latte/etc (which, in fact, may be better that at average nerdy fancy cafe).

    It's a pity. Back in my homecountry (Belarus) we have fancy nerdy cafe Zerno, which make better coffee than average HK premium cafe, and it costs only $11HK for a cup of "fair trade" coffee. In bloody dictatorship! Why on Earth HK coffee scene is so weak and inflated?

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