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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    So are you suggesting that after over 100 years of scheduling experience on the KCR they should of known that such an early train would not be economically viable and not purchased the rolling stock until some later date?
    Absolutely classic Eastie comment.

    Where did you invent that from? How do you come up with such imaginative cockypop day after day, week after week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    That's a bit of a wild assumption as it depends on where you are going....
    That's not a wild assumption. You can reach most of Guangzhou by 10am by metro when you arrive at Guangzhou South before 9.

    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    So are you suggesting that after over 100 years of scheduling experience on the KCR they should of known that such an early train would not be economically viable and not purchased the rolling stock until some later date?
    No, I believe those early trains serve their purpose and will fill up over time. During holidays the demand for early trains will increase. I also believe the train will enable cross-border commuting, but this will not happen on the first day of operations as people don't rearrange their lives overnight. For now, it'll act as a collector for Shenzhen North.
    There's no economic loss if it increases the economic viability of early trains leaving from Shenzhen North. The 7:13 train is sent by China and returns to China and is not a Vibrant Express. You just don't understand it. Do you? It's the completeness of the system that makes it profitable. It allows for high flexibility in terms of scheduling which I believe may already or will be handled by AI. It's the ideal scenario of where AI can be applied. And trust me, nobody will give a shit about 100 years of scheduling experience on the KCR.
    Last edited by civil_servant; 25-09-2018 at 10:00 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HowardCoombs:
    Absolutely classic Eastie comment.

    Where did you invent that from? How do you come up with such imaginative cockypop day after day, week after week.
    KCR is superior didn't you know? Started by Brits, not CCP. Interestingly, the KCR was also once considered a white elephant.

    https://m.scmp.com/comment/insight-o...ry-sheds-light

    100 years of KCR experience tells us different. You'd think people would learn from that instead suggesting that we should apply 100 years of outdated and antiquated scheduling data to a supermodern HSR grid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HowardCoombs:
    Absolutely classic Eastie comment.

    Where did you invent that from? How do you come up with such imaginative cockypop day after day, week after week.
    It does look as though too much excess capacity has been put in from the start. I don't doubt this hugely subsidised service will gain passengers in the coming months and years. It is just the silliness of government officials stating it is an $87B masterpiece that has capacity to handle 200,000 per day while old ladies collect cardboard off the street outside. Again public money, spending ad reality seem disconnected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    It's the completeness of the system that makes it profitable.
    I have still not seen any figues to suggest the service could be possible given the high costs let alone the lost opportunity costs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    KCR is superior didn't you know?
    That makes little sense. The KCR is a very old railway. There should be 3-4 metro lines linking the New Territories to Shenzhen. Unfortunately the cities got a High cost High Speed Rail link. It could and should of got both at a lower total cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    It does look as though too much excess capacity has been put in from the start. I don't doubt this hugely subsidised service will gain passengers in the coming months and years.
    Its normal - if you build it, they will come.
    If you dont, they wont.

    How else do you expect to shape and change the behaviour of commuters?


    It is just the silliness of government officials stating it is an $87B masterpiece that has capacity to handle 200,000 per day while old ladies collect cardboard off the street outside. Again public money, spending ad reality seem disconnected.
    Different issues and different arguments which has nothing to do with timings and frequencies of the scheduling.

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    ?? In Japan there would be a public apology for an early departure like that!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by HowardCoombs:
    Its normal - if you build it, they will come.
    But some sensible statements from the government would be welcome. Stating the station will be able to handle 200,000 per day and 80,000 expected on normal days as well as the silly 45 mins campaign make the government detached from reality and not accountable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    But some sensible statements from the government would be welcome. Stating the station will be able to handle 200,000 per day and 80,000 expected on normal days as well as the silly 45 mins campaign make the government detached from reality and not accountable.
    The government is not accountable, HK is not a democracy and will likely never be

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