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    Intelligence is surely not a definite measurable concept? It is more like a collage of overlapping traits that builds up a tapestry of intelligence.

    IQ tests offer a rather narrow view on the concept of intelligence.

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    There are some really smart people who lack qualifications or a high IQ. Perhaps they don't fit the measure of intelligence you like to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    It depends on the position. In health care no one should care. In the 'beauty' industry the advert can be written without expressly stating it must be one gender or the other vut describing the needs of the role.

    Buy a kick step?
    I agree 100% that an ad should be written with the requirements of the job instead of attributes. It shifts the focus to the position and is less likely to be discriminatory. In this case, state valid requirements/skills that a foreigner(or local) might have instead of just being a foreigner.

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    Agreed and that has no place on job adverts either.

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    Think @chris_in_hk would have a field day with what's happening in the UK!

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/...te_men_please/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cwbguy:
    Think @chris_in_hk would have a field day with what's happening in the UK!

    https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/...te_men_please/
    It doesn't say "no white men" are to be recruited. This is a specific advert aimed at specific audiences to correct an imbalance in recruitment.

    It is some snowflakes on the right getting their knickers in a twist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis:
    It's a lot easier to find ways to pressure employers to do the right thing than to try change what the consumer wants. Take the recent change in the Oscar rules about diversity, it will encourage studios to promote it and go in the right direction. The same goes with what one should or shouldn't say in advertising jobs/flats etc...

    To me writing foreigner preferred is the same as a secretary job that might say blondes with big breasts and a nice booty preferred. The consumer might want it, the boss might want it and actually hire someone because of it. It doesn't mean I'll condone it, shrug my shoulder saying that the whole culture is to blame.

    What was done with plastic bags? Force businesses to charge consumers for them. Ultimately, it's the consumers fault but by nudging in the right direction, there was a decrease of millions of plastic bag. Is it perfect? No but it's a step in the right direction.
    To me writing foreigner preferred is the same as a secretary job that might say blondes with big breasts and a nice booty preferred.
    Then you'd be wrong. To any normal person the difference is clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    It doesn't say "no white men" are to be recruited. This is a specific advert aimed at specific audiences to correct an imbalance in recruitment.

    It is some snowflakes on the right getting their knickers in a twist.
    How is that really any different form a school explaining that they prefer a foreigner for a specific rare role???

    ...well, one way that it's obviously different is that the school is nowhere near as explicit (that's another word for discriminatory) about the attributes of the person they're seeking to hire - The school want's someone from overseas to bring some international flair to an otherwise culturally homogenous learning experience a.n.d. they know that having that person be able to pronounce their words and sing their songs in an internationally recognisable form of English, rather than 'Chinglish' will bring a dimension that a 'non-foreigner' will not.

    Dare we call non-foreigners Chinese? Or is that discriminatory? Because I can guarantee they would get far more complaints if they labelled their ad 'no Chinese' rather than 'no non-foreigners'

    And herein lies the rub, the people who complain, typically complain about the language used; Not that local parents want their kids to communicate in English as though they went to school in California rather than in Causeway bay; that desire is perfectly acceptable, as mostexcellent has pointed out....

    I just can't see that anyone who has a vested interest (the employer, the inegible candidates or the eligible candidates) in this, actually really care.

    Attempting to the get the ad changed is a petty victory, it's still utterly reasonable to want a foreigner for the role. The ad as is, is just simply the best way to convey that message, any other variation of that language isn't as targeted nor as easy to understand. They pay their money to get the best response. Whenever you detract from the clarity of the message the response is diluted.

    Naturally all of us, who are PR holders here will always be foreigners in HK... how does that square? Is it not a more accurate description of the basket you fit into than 'local' or HK'er? Does one crave a different label for oneself? if not, why not?

    And Alan Zeman/Mike Rouse?
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