A gripe about graduate jobs

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  1. #61

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    Hmmmm

    I would say... just the kind of advice you should expect from a 55 year old, Not that hes not right!! to some extent... but again, the way he gives advice is a bit offensive or should I say harsh. really its that simple, if you cant give any advice, and you cant be nice, you really shouldnt give any. noones forced you to. I do agree tho. Im a graduate from the UK recently moved back to Hong Kong and come to know that grads are paid very less. EVEN the part time retail jobs in the UK are better off in terms of wage. but ofcourse its not just about a wage. its about a career, so i guess it is hard work, to start with... indeed.

    we need alot of patience, if graduates like us wana stay in HK. its suppose to be, but isnt the right place to start your career. Otherwise, Id say UK is better off.... but, I didnt think that way before I moved to Hong Kong. Guess i should have done my research properly. i think initial pay should be around 15000 for grads ATLEAST. most grads nowadays dont live with parents.. anyways good luck to those who find it tough. its a bad bad world.


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    What I'm planning to do is find a job here (in europe) and move back to HK after 1-2 years. So I can start with a better wage, and if I've gained some experience they'll pay more than 7k-8k right?


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    It is characters like Boris that discourage me from reading/contributing to online forums. As a "fly on the wall" in this conversation what saddened me was to see someone simply seeking a bit of advice to better their own situation being knocked down as if they are both arrogant and selfish.

    The words arrogant and selfish would probably be better directed at someone else that has taken part in this conversation.

    The living costs in Hong Kong as well as the salaries as you go "up the ladder" are comparable or higher to most cities in the world including Sydney / London etc. From that rationale, why aren't grad jobs paid similar levels to cities with similar costs/opportunities? Supply and demand; MNCs take advantage of the "cultural efficiency" of HK families; young people in Hong Kong are not just willing to live with their parents but expected to.

    I have never actually given this much thought but if this trend changed, the affects would be quite enormous:-

    - Grads would have to demand higher salaries (and the companies in most cases would oblige)
    - There would be new residential areas that are popular for young pros to live in - not just your expat ghettos that exist presently.

    Sorry that the best advice I've given is to try and change the housing culture in Hong Kong!

    One thing I'm surprised at is nobody has suggested he runs his own business? I don't want to get into a debate about job vs own business but am surprised that more people in this dilemna don't innovate and do something different when it becomes clear there is no light at the end of the tunnel. (Anyone in this city who is a Native English Teacher can teach English to save $ for starting such ventures).

    Good luck!


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    Quote Originally Posted by HKScot:
    It is characters like Boris that discourage me from reading/contributing to online forums. As a "fly on the wall" in this conversation what saddened me was to see someone simply seeking a bit of advice to better their own situation being knocked down as if they are both arrogant and selfish.

    The words arrogant and selfish would probably be better directed at someone else that has taken part in this conversation.
    Boris is a realist and some posters do need a reality check as any fresh grad knows regardless of their age they need to start at the bottom and need to prove themselves before they're paid what they're worth.

    The OP should of known that starting in a new industry you're going to be on a low salary, Its not as if they haven't had to start at the bottom before due to being a mature graduate.

    Hmmm you do know that in the last statement of yours which I highlighted you're coming across as a bit of a hypocrite right?

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    Very Interesting!
    I have not visited this site for months and things have sure change-for worse!
    I am based in US,grew up in HK and then went to US to attend college.
    I can understand how the gentleman feel about his situation-
    many years ago I graudated with a BA degree in Sociology,and went looking for job in Chicago.
    Headhunters will just shake their heads when they read my transcript-courses in sociology.political science,anthropology and pyschology??
    They are looking for someone with math aptitude so they can train in programming?
    My first job was with AMbassador hotel as an accounting clerk which paid me $375 a month which is more than the other hotel pays in accounting but thats a high school graduate wage?
    I left,later I explained to my boss I am alone in the country,I dont live with my parents,Upon getting my first paycheck,I have 20 dollars left over for emergency after paying for a studio apt and phone and grocery!
    Well,he told me if I had stayed .I would be making 1k a month and thats good money!after a year!
    Ambassador hotel is owned by Lowe coorporation and the career path is pretty good,my boss the controller got a promotion and moved to NYC corporate headquarter.
    Anyway I managed to get into data processing ,a damn good field for a liberal arts graduate!
    I feel for you,you are not happy with your pay,you get a 15% paycut and then a 10% raise,where does it leave you?
    But then times is hard everywhere,our minimum wage has just been raised to $7.25 an hour by Congress but I just heard the state of Colorado is cutting it back!
    Many professionals are unemployed,many factory workers are now free lance handyman,so are contractors who used to build fancy homes ,sitting on my desk are several estimates on some work I need to have done in my house and the Americans not only have to compete with other Americans,but the latinos as well,legal or 'in limbo'??
    Some professionals may never find job,I dont mean finding less paying jobs but just retire,I dont think the job market is going to come roaring back,the ones who are deemed making too much money,too old and too specialised are going to have a hard time finding the next job and dont forget every year he is out of the job market there are fresh graduates entering the workforce!
    I am not going to lecture you like the other poster ,you have the right to be unhappy,we all have a feel of how much we are worth,be patient,life is interesting and you never know what will happen?
    Every day when you step out of your house and go to work,you will face opportunities ,it is like dancing,if you just sit like a wall flower ,no one will realise how good a dancer you are.
    You know what IBM recruiter said to me when I asked for a job in data processing?
    BTW,IBM gave me this interview because the school asked them to talk to me and IBM is an active recruiter on campus ,they are not interested in me!
    Anyway the guy asked me what will I do if I cant get into data processing?
    I said i will try accounting and the guy laughed-he said why do you always want to get into a field you know nothing about?
    Well,I not only landed an accounting job with a bank,I then moved into data processing and passed the CPA exam.
    So at your age,just be patient,the global economy will improve .
    BTW,all the talk about going back to UK,Uk economy is worse than the US economy,why not stay in Hk and hone your skills in doing business with the mainland Chinese be in business etiquettes,culture or language! This is not something you will learn if you are stationed in UK!


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