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    Certificate of no criminal conviction

    After I leave hk I will almost certainly need to produce a cert of no criminal conviction when applying for teaching jobs overseas.

    But it seems the hk police will only issue one if you have a letter from an embassy or company requesting the cert, and will only send the cert direct to them (in contrast, in the uk, you can apply for a CRB check for yourself, you keep the cert and can show it to whoever you like).

    Getting an hk crb check from overseas will be a whole heap of messing around with fingerprints at local police stations and authorisation letters and bankers drafts.

    So, does anyone know any way to get hold of a copy of your own hk criminal record/certificate of no convictions.


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    I can think of 2 possibilities:
    1) Cheat by asking your current employer to request one for you.
    or
    2) Ask a friend who owns a business to do the same so your current employer wont know about it.


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    They are good ideas, the problem is:

    "The issuance of Certificates of No Criminal Conviction is a charged service provided by the Hong Kong Police Force which is solely in connection with a person's application for a visa to visit or reside in another country, or for adoption of children. Applications for the Certificate for any other purposes will not be accepted."

    As I'm already PR I can't pretend I need it for an hk visa.

    In fact, I won't need it for a visa in Europe either.

    This is ridiculous. What am I suppose to do if a school asks for it? Surely it should be straightforward to get proof you haven't done anything.

    Last edited by usehername; 03-11-2014 at 01:32 PM.

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    In that case, how about a variation for #2 : Do you have any business owning friends outside of Europe that could help with this?

    You've been here long enough, and lots of expats own businesses in/around the region - I'm thinking any one of them could make this request...

    This does indeed seem a bit dumb, but thats bureaucracy


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    Quote Originally Posted by usehername:

    This is ridiculous. What am I suppose to do if a school asks for it? Surely it should be straightforward to get proof you haven't done anything.
    Unfortunately not. We required one a few years ago, when we were applying for a dependent visa for my husband to go to NZ. It was only issued with a letter from NZ consulate, and supplied direct to them. Bit of a pain time wise, and will definitely add to your wait time to be approved for a job.

    No idea why they should make it so difficult, except someone wrote a process once and no one has questioned the logic of it, because processes. Doubly frustrating in that having gone through the process, the certificate is not yours to use again should you subsequently move, you have to apply again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HowardCoombs:
    In that case, how about a variation for #2 : Do you have any business owning friends outside of Europe that could help with this?

    You've been here long enough, and lots of expats own businesses in/around the region - I'm thinking any one of them could make this request...

    This does indeed seem a bit dumb, but thats bureaucracy
    I wish I did - but I can't think of anyone.
    Last edited by usehername; 03-11-2014 at 01:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimwy66:
    Unfortunately not. We required one a few years ago, when we were applying for a dependent visa for my husband to go to NZ. It was only issued with a letter from NZ consulate, and supplied direct to them. Bit of a pain time wise, and will definitely add to your wait time to be approved for a job.

    No idea why they should make it so difficult, except someone wrote a process once and no one has questioned the logic of it, because processes. Doubly frustrating in that having gone through the process, the certificate is not yours to use again should you subsequently move, you have to apply again.
    Hk is normally good with beaurocracy but this is just daft.

    I know it's possible to do a 'personal data privacy ordinance' request. Maybe I can ask the police to release all information they have about me - which will be nil.

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    There is...

    In addition, according to relevant legal provisions, the Police may, upon request of institutions authorised by law such as EDB and the Social Welfare Department, provide a person's criminal conviction information to these institutions for their reference in registration and authorisation of certain professionals, such as school managers, teachers and child-minders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by usehername:
    Hk is normally good with beaurocracy but this is just daft.

    I know it's possible to do a 'personal data privacy ordinance' request. Maybe I can ask the police to release all information they have about me - which will be nil.
    I believe that when I had to get a similar thing from the police in London for my HK visa application a few years back, I was technically doing that - making a formal request for a copy of any records they had on me, on the basis that no records=proof of no record...

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    Quote Originally Posted by vmlinuz:
    I believe that when I had to get a similar thing from the police in London for my HK visa application a few years back, I was technically doing that - making a formal request for a copy of any records they had on me, on the basis that no records=proof of no record...
    But you just get a crb check done in the uk very easily. :what:

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