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I've HAD IT with Hong Kong... Advice? Wanna move to Singapore.

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  1. #91

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaowaiLulu:
    Yup, exactly the reason we moved here!
    Before you give up completely, consider South Lantau....
    The beaches, the hills, the cows, the quiet........
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    Quote Originally Posted by HowardCoombs:
    Before you give up completely, consider South Lantau....
    The beaches, the hills, the cows, the quiet........
    Yeah! Completely agree. We should not be having this conversation at all unless the OP has explored south Lantau! What an amazing place!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ray98:
    Ok, so you are quoting the future. If you are so sure the air is going to harm you, then surely you would get a Beijing type exodus. I haven't noticed this happening.

    Let me put it like this. 681 going to work, no problem with air. 681 at Central, you can feel the air being heavier and less clear. 681 back to home, air is clear. That's my personal experience.

    Not sure if you know this, but rural communities like Sap Sze Heung, everybody hears everything about anybody because of the history, everyone knows everybody there. It's like a surveillance system that the CIA would be proud of. So if anybody was ill or dying from pollution, people would know.
    The pollution you can see is only one type of pollution NOX, PN2.5, SO2 etc are all near invisible but still do harm to you.

    But you are probably correct that areas like Ma On Shan do a much better job of keeping busy roads that have very high levels of pollutants away from residential area so it probably feels less oppressive than being sandwiched between the super toxic airport and the very toxic Route 8.

    If you have to live near the airport Disco Bay would seem to offer less roadside and airport pollution and as other posters point out South Lantua offers a completely different environment. Sure the background pollution will still be high but no where near as high as the foreground pollution you get being next to an airport and a busy expressway.

    http://property.gohome.com.hk/South-...ad-1227057/en/
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    Quote Originally Posted by HowardCoombs:
    Before you give up completely, consider South Lantau....
    The beaches, the hills, the cows, the quiet........
    That is why we moved here, too. But.....
    February/March Life on Lantau, pg 6, article headline, "South Lantau Vehicle Ban May Be Lifted." First para. Quotes," The goverment mY lift vehicle restrictions on South Lantau Roads as it plans for massive construction ( no Lantau resident likes that) and reclamation ( even worse) on and near the island step up a gear."

    Our roads are bad enough as it is. Complaints about the potholes, police allowing offender who drive in and hoon along the roads, take up residents parking spots ( there are not many), and lack of bus serivices are increasing but given lip service and nothing actually done about it. Pollution is increasing , given the amount of rubbish left behind by tourists from on the streets, in the villages ( yes we live there, it isn't another theme park) , on the beach and along hiking trails. Quiet during the week, our neighbours which are mostly locals are great, but after reading the main letter in SCMP Letters to the Editor yesterday from some idiot suggesting that Lantau build a monorail to transport tourists.....wt.....???

    Asking OP, why Singapore? Is just as built up, has construction going on ,hotter and more humid than here and pollution?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Natfixit:
    Asking OP, why Singapore? Is just as built up, has construction going on ,hotter and more humid than here and pollution?
    1- Close enough to be able to commute from work in HK (3.5 hour flight).
    2- Better air quality (note that I say BETTER and not perfect, but MUCH better)
    3- Similar quality of transportation, schools, hospitals, etc. when compared to HK.
    4- Mandarin is an official language, a very important perk (specially for daughter and myself, I am studying Mandarin in HK).
    5- We don't mind heat or humidity (HK gets a break, but still is extremely hot and humid most of the time anyways),
    6- English is still an official language.
    7- Housing market cheaper than HK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaowaiLulu:
    1- Close enough to be able to commute from work in HK (3.5 hour flight).
    2- Better air quality (note that I say BETTER and not perfect, but MUCH better)
    3- Similar quality of transportation, schools, hospitals, etc. when compared to HK.
    4- Mandarin is an official language, a very important perk (specially for daughter and myself, I am studying Mandarin in HK).
    5- We don't mind heat or humidity (HK gets a break, but still is extremely hot and humid most of the time anyways),
    6- English is still an official language.
    7- Housing market cheaper than HK.
    Aside from English as official language (not sure if important to u) then Taipei fits the bill too and shorter commute...and more things to explore. Slightly longer transportation but easy to get a car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat:
    Aside from English as official language (not sure if important to u) then Taipei fits the bill too and shorter commute...and more things to explore. Slightly longer transportation but easy to get a car.


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    English is a MUST... Specially for hubs who HATES languages and refuses to learn Mandarin

    I'm trying to learn Mandarin (I thought it would be easy as I already learned another language before) but MAN IT IS HARD AS FFFF##$$%#!!!

    I will someday, though
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaowaiLulu:
    1- Close enough to be able to commute from work in HK (3.5 hour flight).

    5- We don't mind heat or humidity (HK gets a break, but still is extremely hot and humid most of the time anyways),
    7- Housing market cheaper than HK.
    Cheaper Housing in Singapore? That really depends on where in Singapore you intend to stay. Places near the city center like the CBD, Central South, South Keppel or Beach Road are darn expensive and really not much cheaper than in HK. If you don't mind a longer commute, there are the suburbs like Woodlands, Bukit Timah and Newton.Those areas seem to be popular with expats, (and more importantly for your daughter, there are some international schools nearby). Those areas also have a nicer environment than a comparable HK neighbourhood with plenty of parks and greenery. But again, those areas are not "cheap". In fact, Singapore is ranked as one of the most expensive real estate markets in the world (well, barring Hong Kong):

    The World's Most Expensive Real Estate Markets | Inc.com

    Sure, Singapore is technically "cheaper" than HK for real estate. But that is like saying a Ferrari Italia 458 is cheaper than a Lamborghini Aventator. You are splitting hairs, since both cars are ultra-exclusive performance machines. Likewise, if you really are looking for cheaper housing, Singapore ain't the ideal choice, to be honest. Its still ranks right up there as a place with one of the most expensive real estate markets in the world.

    Likewise, disregarding housing, the cost-of-living in terms of daily expense (i.e. shopping), Singapore can't be regarded as "cheap", in fact, in some areas it is even more expensive than Hong Kong:

    Billionaire's Playground: Singapore Is The Most Expensive City Globally - Forbes

    And if you want to talk about public transport, yes, Singapore is also quite good in that regards, but the MRT is not as extensive as the MTR in HK. MRT can't get you to as many corners of Singapore as MTR can in Hong Kong.

    Finally, good you don't mind the heat and humidity, but HK is actually bordering on temperate for a third to half the year, so its not quite correct to say its hot and humid "most of the time".
    Last edited by Cho-man; 12-02-2015 at 10:52 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cho-man:
    . But again, those areas are not "cheap". In fact, Singapore is ranked as one of the most expensive real estate markets in the world (well, barring Hong Kong).
    Right, housing is more expensive in HK. Most expensive hosing market in the world.
    And yes, of course, anyone who lived in a big city knows there are cheaper and more expensive areas for everything...


    Finally, good you don't mind the heat and humidity, but HK is actually bordering on temperate for a third to half the year, so its not quite correct to say its hot and humid "most of the time".


    Fair enough. I guess I can still say that, living in HK, you still have to deal with that weather for a large portion of the year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaowaiLulu:
    Right, housing is more expensive in HK. Most expensive hosing market in the world.
    And yes, of course, anyone who lived in a big city knows there are cheaper and more expensive areas for everything...
    You are missing my point. Singapore real estate really ain't that much cheaper than HK. Like I said, you are splitting hairs when you say Singapore is cheaper than Hong Kong. Look at my analogy again, a Ferrari 458 is cheaper than a Lambo Aventator, but is that difference in price really that significant? You will still be forking up major sum for any half-decent place in Singapore. If cheap housing is your priority, I would not chose Singapore.

    Add in the greater cost-of-living in Singapore, and the total amount you spend in Singapore may not really be less than in HK...

    Bottom line, your reasons for moving to Singapore don't sound convincing to me. Maybe you should just say " I want to live in a city with nicer environment and less pollution", and that I would believe. Or heck, just say "I just like Singapore, screw the reasons".
    Last edited by Cho-man; 12-02-2015 at 11:05 PM.

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