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I've HAD IT with Hong Kong... Advice? Wanna move to Singapore.

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  1. #91

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaowaiLulu:
    1- Close enough to be able to commute from work in HK (3.5 hour flight).
    2- Better air quality (note that I say BETTER and not perfect, but MUCH better)
    3- Similar quality of transportation, schools, hospitals, etc. when compared to HK.
    4- Mandarin is an official language, a very important perk (specially for daughter and myself, I am studying Mandarin in HK).
    5- We don't mind heat or humidity (HK gets a break, but still is extremely hot and humid most of the time anyways),
    6- English is still an official language.
    7- Housing market cheaper than HK.
    Aside from English as official language (not sure if important to u) then Taipei fits the bill too and shorter commute...and more things to explore. Slightly longer transportation but easy to get a car.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat:
    Aside from English as official language (not sure if important to u) then Taipei fits the bill too and shorter commute...and more things to explore. Slightly longer transportation but easy to get a car.


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    English is a MUST... Specially for hubs who HATES languages and refuses to learn Mandarin

    I'm trying to learn Mandarin (I thought it would be easy as I already learned another language before) but MAN IT IS HARD AS FFFF##$$%#!!!

    I will someday, though
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaowaiLulu:
    1- Close enough to be able to commute from work in HK (3.5 hour flight).

    5- We don't mind heat or humidity (HK gets a break, but still is extremely hot and humid most of the time anyways),
    7- Housing market cheaper than HK.
    Cheaper Housing in Singapore? That really depends on where in Singapore you intend to stay. Places near the city center like the CBD, Central South, South Keppel or Beach Road are darn expensive and really not much cheaper than in HK. If you don't mind a longer commute, there are the suburbs like Woodlands, Bukit Timah and Newton.Those areas seem to be popular with expats, (and more importantly for your daughter, there are some international schools nearby). Those areas also have a nicer environment than a comparable HK neighbourhood with plenty of parks and greenery. But again, those areas are not "cheap". In fact, Singapore is ranked as one of the most expensive real estate markets in the world (well, barring Hong Kong):

    The World's Most Expensive Real Estate Markets | Inc.com

    Sure, Singapore is technically "cheaper" than HK for real estate. But that is like saying a Ferrari Italia 458 is cheaper than a Lamborghini Aventator. You are splitting hairs, since both cars are ultra-exclusive performance machines. Likewise, if you really are looking for cheaper housing, Singapore ain't the ideal choice, to be honest. Its still ranks right up there as a place with one of the most expensive real estate markets in the world.

    Likewise, disregarding housing, the cost-of-living in terms of daily expense (i.e. shopping), Singapore can't be regarded as "cheap", in fact, in some areas it is even more expensive than Hong Kong:

    Billionaire's Playground: Singapore Is The Most Expensive City Globally - Forbes

    And if you want to talk about public transport, yes, Singapore is also quite good in that regards, but the MRT is not as extensive as the MTR in HK. MRT can't get you to as many corners of Singapore as MTR can in Hong Kong.

    Finally, good you don't mind the heat and humidity, but HK is actually bordering on temperate for a third to half the year, so its not quite correct to say its hot and humid "most of the time".
    Last edited by Cho-man; 12-02-2015 at 10:52 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cho-man:
    . But again, those areas are not "cheap". In fact, Singapore is ranked as one of the most expensive real estate markets in the world (well, barring Hong Kong).
    Right, housing is more expensive in HK. Most expensive hosing market in the world.
    And yes, of course, anyone who lived in a big city knows there are cheaper and more expensive areas for everything...


    Finally, good you don't mind the heat and humidity, but HK is actually bordering on temperate for a third to half the year, so its not quite correct to say its hot and humid "most of the time".


    Fair enough. I guess I can still say that, living in HK, you still have to deal with that weather for a large portion of the year...
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaowaiLulu:
    Right, housing is more expensive in HK. Most expensive hosing market in the world.
    And yes, of course, anyone who lived in a big city knows there are cheaper and more expensive areas for everything...
    You are missing my point. Singapore real estate really ain't that much cheaper than HK. Like I said, you are splitting hairs when you say Singapore is cheaper than Hong Kong. Look at my analogy again, a Ferrari 458 is cheaper than a Lambo Aventator, but is that difference in price really that significant? You will still be forking up major sum for any half-decent place in Singapore. If cheap housing is your priority, I would not chose Singapore.

    Add in the greater cost-of-living in Singapore, and the total amount you spend in Singapore may not really be less than in HK...

    Bottom line, your reasons for moving to Singapore don't sound convincing to me. Maybe you should just say " I want to live in a city with nicer environment and less pollution", and that I would believe. Or heck, just say "I just like Singapore, screw the reasons".
    Last edited by Cho-man; 12-02-2015 at 11:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cho-man:
    You are missing my point. Singapore real estate really ain't that much cheaper than HK. Like I said, you are splitting hairs when you say Singapore is cheaper than Hong Kong. Look at my analogy again, a Ferrari 458 is cheaper than a Lambo Aventator, but is that difference in price really that significant? You will still be forking up major sum for any half-decent place in Singapore. If cheap housing is your priority, I would not chose Singapore.

    Add in the greater cost-of-living in Singapore, and the total amount you spend in Singapore may not really be less than in HK...

    Bottom line, your reasons for moving to Singapore don't sound convincing to me. Maybe you should just say " I want to live in a city with nicer environment and less pollution", and that I would believe.
    Maybe you should just change your name to "Singapore Hater".. Lol

    SIN is a LOT like HK (see all reasons above), but with nicer environment and SIGNIFICANTLY less pollution, and they speak English AND Mandarin. Cost is not the reason for moving out, but the cheaper housing is still an advantage.
    Also IT IS CLOSE enough to HK that my husband can keep his work here and not alter his schedule that much (he had a similar commute in the US).

    Tell me of a better place and I'll consider it. To me, it sounds like you keep trying to make Singapore sound like a bad choice no matter what I say.

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    Bottom line, your reasons for moving to Singapore don't sound convincing to me. Maybe you should just say " I want to live in a city with nicer environment and less pollution", and that I would believe.
    I've been saying exactly that from the very beginning..... Did you read the original post?

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    Let's get one thing straight, the people of Singapore speak a bastardized version of English, many will refer to it as Singlish. My nephew grew up there, yes is currently finishing his national service, and went to some of the more elite schools over there, and even in those schools you are taught to pronounce 'three' as 'tree' and will pull you up for it if you insist it is incorrect. Learning Mandarin can be difficult as they mix it a lot with other dialects of China.

    Climate-wise, this is down to the individual. For me, and for many Singaporeans, it's too hot and you remain indoors. One thing I really do not like about Singapore, like about HK, is that they openly discriminate against people they deem as a lower class. A lot of their manual labour is outsourced to people from Malaysia, who they deem as inferior, which has lead to decades of tradition of trying to keep a pale complexion and not letting their children play in the sun.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LaowaiLulu:
    Maybe you should just change your name to "Singapore Hater".. Lol
    Seriously, don't bother replying to him. This sad fella has a long, storied and completely pathetic history of inventing arguments with anyone in order to get attention on this forum. His last user account was banned when he finally went off the deep end... it's just a matter of time before it happens again.
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    Ok you want to move to Singapore but your breadwinner has Hong Kong employment.

    Nobody here seems to know.

    I've had a quick look for you and it doesn't seem likely you can unless you apply for Singapore Residency or it's possible for your contractual slave to apply for SG employment.

    Best thing to do is make use of your tax dollars in a positive way and bounce an e-mail to the US embassy in Singapore to ask. I'm pretty sure they are in a miles better position to give you the answer less the HK vs SG urinating contest or the debate on HK air pollution.

    Good luck!


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