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I've HAD IT with Hong Kong... Advice? Wanna move to Singapore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray98:
    My statements on the air quality are based on my personal experience and I stand by them. I have my doubts about a single measuring device accurately measuring the pollution for such a wide area as a town.
    Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrit:
    Do you know how ridiculous that sounds?
    Haven't the faintest idea.

    This was my factual experience and these were my perception of those facts.

    The measurements on the air quality is at one spot within a few metres and that's suppose to represent an area if several square km? Not convinced.

    Got a problem with what I said?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray98:
    Haven't the faintest idea.

    This was my factual experience and these were my perception of those facts.

    The measurements on the air quality is at one spot within a few metres and that's suppose to represent an area if several square km? Not convinced.

    Got a problem with what I said?
    Yes!

    One set of observations is based on repeated, regular sampling from a calibrated machine that can objectively measure pollution not visible to the naked eye as well as larger visible particles. It doesn't go on holiday, nor have mood swings and its perception isn't clouded by emotions. Trends and levels can be objectively monitored and studied.

    The other is the opposite of all the above.

    I know which set of observations all rational observers would choose to place the most importance on.

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    I guess its fine if I peed at one end of your pool and you were taking gulps of water from the other end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrit:
    Yes!

    One set of observations is based on repeated, regular sampling from a calibrated machine that can objectively measure pollution not visible to the naked eye as well as larger visible particles. It doesn't go on holiday, nor have mood swings and its perception isn't clouded by emotions. Trends and levels can be objectively monitored and studied.

    The other is the opposite of all the above.

    I know which set of observations all rational observers would choose to place the most importance on.
    True but move it a few 100 metres and you might get totally different readings. Basic statistics mate, never been on a biology field trip have you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dankleness:
    I guess its fine if I peed at one end of your pool and you were taking gulps of water from the other end?
    So just because Rafael Hui got done for corruption, all Hong Kong civil servants are bent now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray98:
    True but move it a few 100 metres and you might get totally different readings. Basic statistics mate, never been on a biology field trip have you?
    I think that a physics field trip might be more relevant. We have equipment all over Hong Kong that shows heavy air pollution on any scale you wish to measure it on.

    You are perfectly at liberty to claim that there is a little pocket of pollution around the station in your area, and everywhere else is absolutely fine - it it just the site the equipment is mounted at....

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    Well this thread has totally deviated its course-- I just wanted some advice on Singapore immigration laws

    I'm happy for all the people who feel happy here or have no qualms about raising their children in HK.

    I try to look at this problem from a scientific point of view rather than from people's "perceptions" or feelings or emotional attachment to the area.

    The aqi measurements seem pretty accurate when, on a sunny day with clear skies and readings of 243 at 1PM, I look out the window of my 46th floor apartment and see NOTHING.

    The problem of air pollution in HK is fairly new (this last decade) so long term health effects can't be measured now. And yes many people been here for years and have no health effects that they can "feel" (at least not YET, right?), just like there are plenty of smokers out there that keep happily puffing in their 70s. Good for them!

    I'm not taking that risk with my daughter. Before moving here, I had friends already living in the area that kept telling me "the air is FINE, you're going to LOVE it!"
    My husband was here for a month in the summer and "didn't notice anything"... I am still kicking myself for not doing better research before jumping on that plane. Props to the happy HK dwellers, but it's not for me.

    And I don't care if Singapore is not "as fun" or if the parks are "manicured" and there are lest mountains and trails... Again, if you can't go out and enjoy those things, why does it matter? I grew up climbing mountains. The view when you get to the top is your reward... I guess people like looking at smog from the top of a mountain? Sorry, I don't get it.

    I'm not trying to be right, I'm just saying I don't like it and I wish I did. My husband loves it here. I had enough. I just want to know how we can move to the Pore! It would be really easy due to my husband's job as a pilot. The complicated part is the visa process, if the possibility exists for a US family with permanent employment with a HK company that allows living anywhere.

    Thanks everyone for your insight.

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