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  1. #451

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trance Omega:
    Who else is there at the moment? Besides you really do need to give him some time. Sir Alex didnt do that well in his first season.
    Perhaps Sir Alex will step in ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trebor:
    Maybe failure is the wrong word but I've highlighted in bold those that have certainly not lived up to their price tag.

    Marouane Fellaini Everton £27,500,000
    Shinji Kagawa B Dortmund £12,000,000 22 Jun, 2012
    Robin van Persie Arsenal £24,000,000 17 Aug, 2012
    Wilfried Zaha C Palace £15,000,000 25 Jan, 2013
    Guillermo Varela Penarol £2,400,000 07 Jun, 2013
    David de Gea Atl Madrid £18,900,000 29 Jun, 2011
    Nick Powell Crewe £4,000,000 12 Jun, 2012
    Bebe Vitoria £7,400,000 11 Aug, 2010
    Anders Lindegaard Aalesund £3,500,000 01 Jan, 2011
    Phil Jones Blackburn £16,500,000 13 Jun, 2011
    Ashley Young Aston Villa £17,000,000 23 Jun, 2011
    Dimitar Berbatov Tottenham £30,750,000 01 Sep, 2008
    Michael Carrick Tottenham £18,600,000 31 Jul, 2006
    Owen Hargreaves B Munich £17,000,000 01 Jul, 2007
    Anderson Porto £27,000,000 02 Jul, 2007
    Tomasz Kuszczak West Brom £2,125,000 02 Jul, 2007
    Nani Sporting Lisbon £25,500,000 02 Jul, 2007
    Ji-Sung Park PSV Eindhoven £4,000,000 05 Jul, 2005
    Ben Foster Stoke £1,000,000 19 Jul, 2005
    Nemanja Vidic Spartak Moscow £7,000,000 04 Jan, 2006
    Patrice Evra Monaco £5,500,000 10 Jan, 2006
    Wayne Rooney Everton £20,000,000 31 Aug, 2004
    ah, so no longer failures, just players who are overpriced

    can't agree with de gea or carrick. the former is currenlty our most reliable player and the latter has given years of under-rated performances. and 3.5 million too much for a reserve keeper? can't be bothered justifying the rest except to say they helped deliver trophies.

    by the way, where did you get that we paid 27 m for anderson? you are not just fishing, you are full blown trawling.

    like I said, players are worth being over-priced when they win titles.
    Last edited by shenwen; 20-01-2014 at 08:55 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iliketurtles:
    With the risk of setting Shenwen on another meltdown, Man Utd's successes was actually borne out of spending massively in the late 80s. This was before the mid-90s when the likes of Scholes and Becks came through.
    you are talking to someone who actually went to games in the 80s and can categorically say: you are talking bullshit.

    yes, we made one or two big signings during the 80s (Robson and Pallister stand out) but did not spend massively and certainly not more than our rivals at the time. Compare for example our spending v Liverpool. In fact, even City regularly spent far more than utd did at that time (and indeed throughout the 90s and 00s).

    if you can prove differently, I would love to see the numbers

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    I got the figures off soccer base.

    No idea how accurate they are but It doesn't matter how good de gea is that's too much money to spend on any keeper. Most top level are of a similar ability IMO.


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    http://www.redcafe.net/threads/when-...-clubs.382226/

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    Quote Originally Posted by shenwen:
    you are talking to someone who actually went to games in the 80s and can categorically say: you are talking bullshit.

    yes, we made one or two big signings during the 80s (Robson and Pallister stand out) but did not spend massively and certainly not more than our rivals at the time. Compare for example our spending v Liverpool. In fact, even City regularly spent far more than utd did at that time (and indeed throughout the 90s and 00s).

    if you can prove differently, I would love to see the numbers
    I can't tell whether you're taking the piss! It's well accepted that man United bought their way to success. They had to because their team was pretty shit. if you were there, you'd knows better than anyone.Aside from breaking the English record (which in itself demonstrates they outspent their rivals) on Robson, man u spent massively a bunch players including Bruce too. I'll try and dig out done articles on it. Ferguson magically transforming a failing man United side is the bullshit.

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    The good old days when Man Utd were shite. Remember them fondly. I remember going to a game at Old Trafford to watch Nottingham Forrest beat them and kick them out of the FA cup. That was a great day although celebrations were cut short at the next game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by iliketurtles:
    I can't tell whether you're taking the piss! It's well accepted that man United bought their way to success. They had to because their team was pretty shit. if you were there, you'd knows better than anyone.Aside from breaking the English record (which in itself demonstrates they outspent their rivals) on Robson, man u spent massively a bunch players including Bruce too. I'll try and dig out done articles on it. Ferguson magically transforming a failing man United side is the bullshit.
    Good luck digging it out. I have a feeling once you do, you may surprise yourself.

    You are contradicting yourself all over the place. United bought their way to success? With Robson? You sure? Man City once broke the spending record with Steve Daley. Forest also with Trevor Francis. And Villa with Andy Gray. Did those clubs buy their way to success? (Note: neither Utd nor City enjoyed any success in the 80s, aside from two FA cup wins for utd and a Wembley double from Tommy Hutchison )

    And Steve Bruce? Cost 800,000 from Norwich. Decent money in those days but in no way outrageous (in the same year Juventus paid 3.2 million for Ian Rush)

    You see, saying something like "well accepted" only shows you have bought into the myth. Seriously, check out comparative spending from English first division clubs up to 1992.

    Don't enter an argument unless you really know your stuff. At least Trebor has a leg to stand on. Utd did begin spending big (as in sustained big spending rather than one-off big money buys) after 2006. I just disagree with him over the extent of the failures - but he is bang on with what he says in terms of money spent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shenwen:
    At least Trebor has a leg to stand on.

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    Okay Turtles, will dig it out for you.

    Just because I hate this myth that United bought success, especially in the 80s (along with all mancs support city), as opposed to me being very pedantic, here are the total spending for 84/85 season to 87/88 season (chosen at random, amounts rounded up):

    MU - 5.3
    AFC - 2.7
    LFC - 8.5
    EFC - 6
    THFC - 7

    between 88/89 and 92/93 (the period during which SAF had to rebuild the team resulting in first title) spending increases, but not by much comparatively
    MU - 24.5
    AFC - 12
    LFC - 22.5
    TFC - 18
    BRFC - 20

    Only in one year - 89/90 - did utd outspend their rivals, spending 11m to LFC's 4m. In the year utd won the title (92/93) they spent less than all the teams above.

    source:http://www.transfermarkt.com/en/

    and this is gross not net. Net spend paints another picture. See: http://therepublikofmancunia.com/tro...-ferguson-way/ (admittedly a biased source)

    Anyway, back to current Premier League, we will be lucky to make Europa places


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