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    Lightbulb Kayaking to Macau from HK

    If I wanted to kayak to Macau from HK, how would I go about it legally in terms of immigration clearance and HK-CN-MO water boundaries?

    1. Where (which port?) do I legally leave HK?
    2. Do I need to notify CN of my passage through their water to MO? (I will not anchor or stop at any island.)
    3. Where (which port?) do I legally enter MO?


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    No vessel is allowed to enter Hong Kong waters without the permission of the Director of Marine. Not less than 24 hours prior to entering into Hong Kong waters, masters/owners/agents of visiting yachts/pleasure vessels shall apply in writing for permission by providing a Pre-Arrival Notification (PAN) to the Marine
    Unless your kayak is a registered vessel I don't see how it will be possible. You might get away with just doing it if you are a HKPR, afaik it's not illegal to just cross outside an official border crossing and they can't turn you back if you are PR. Not sure non-motorized vessels are even allowed in the Chinese part of the Pearl River Delta, there is a hell of a lot of traffic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgoodkat
    Unless your kayak is a registered vessel I don't see how it will be possible. You might get away with just doing it if you are a HKPR, afaik it's not illegal to just cross outside an official border crossing and they can't turn you back if you are PR. Not sure non-motorized vessels are even allowed in the Chinese part of the Pearl River Delta, there is a hell of a lot of traffic.
    I don't think anyone would go out of their way to stop the OP from doing it if he or she insist on it. But you are right about the danger. Like getting killed by being run over by those jetfoils, the hydrofoil ferries that go between Sai Wan and Macau. They go at 40+ knots and a little kayak just barely floating above the waves will be hard to spot. Yes those vessels have radars, but modern kayaks are made with fiberglass, a composite material that is not very good at reflecting radio or microwave, especially for a small thing like a kayak. So those vessels will have a hard time seeing a little kayak in any case.
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    FYI - This person kite-surfed from HK to Macau earlier in the year. So, it is possible to get there through a non-motorised transport (again, not sure what kite-surfing is .. and if she had escorts / safety team with her). Would have no clue how and so far out of my list of things I'm interested in, that I'll leave it to the OP to research further.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolboy
    I don't think anyone would go out of their way to stop the OP from doing it if he or she insist on it.
    I'd be worried that Marine Police will treat someone who isn't a resident as an illegal immigrant if they catch him/her crossing the border in a kayak. Same with ImmD, you'd have to register your arrival somewhere that handles vessel arrivals, and then they'd bitch about not having applied 24h in advance and having no permit from the Marine Department.

    PS: Imagine capsizing in that sewage they call the PRD
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrgoodkat
    I'd be worried that Marine Police will treat someone who isn't a resident as an illegal immigrant if they catch him/her crossing the border in a kayak. Same with ImmD, you'd have to register your arrival somewhere that handles vessel arrivals, and then they'd bitch about not having applied 24h in advance and having no permit from the Marine Department.

    PS: Imagine capsizing in that sewage they call the PRD
    Yes, if the OP didn't plan carefully his trip, that might be the result. Still, I don't know if there is any law that specifically forbade crossing in a kayak if the kayaker has all his or her papers in order. He would have to check with the Immigration Department on the procedures (if any) for this sort of thing. I mean, private motoryachts do regularly travel between HK and Macau, so there is an arrangement for travel in personal vessels.

    Agree on the sewage, the mainland factories do release nasty pollutants into the estuary. Although the amount and type of pollutants may vary by season.

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    If you are going solo, I don’t know what’s going to kill you first. Jetfoil or a container ship.


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    Curious to follow this. Hope the OP will update us.

    Those jet foils are a very serious hazard. They come up so quick on you...

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    Thanks for all the general pointers, but does anyone know...

    1. if I'd have to let Chinese authorities know of my presence? (for example, do private yachts have to announce 24h in advance to mainland authorities?)
    2. where to moor in Macau? (for example, where do private yachts go?)

    I was also thinking of doing it in reverse... Leaving MO without going through immigration, passing through CN, re-entering HK as HKPR and not caring about formalities... or as is the official terminology here "entering by my own means...".

    Thanks for highlighting the hydrofoil issue. It's certainly a problem, but I plan on checking their schedules. I would not have too much interaction with as I'd hope to leave from Tai O, following the bridge. I'd be well away from the HK-MO ferries until the very end and would be running perpendicular to other CN ferries that follow "roads" on the sea.

    Why? I would like to this once as a bucket list item. It's just one of those things. Like Mac100 and I have previously cycled all around HK in one day. (HKI-Kowloon-NT-Lantau, costal with ferries). Not about speed, time or racing - just getting it done.

    I do appreciate your concern for my safety re. hydrofoils, but if you have knowledge on immigration aspects I'd appreciate that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hike
    Thanks for all the general pointers, but does anyone know...

    1. if I'd have to let Chinese authorities know of my presence? (for example, do private yachts have to announce 24h in advance to mainland authorities?)
    2. where to moor in Macau? (for example, where do private yachts go?)

    I was also thinking of doing it in reverse... Leaving MO without going through immigration, passing through CN, re-entering HK as HKPR and not caring about formalities... or as is the official terminology here "entering by my own means...".

    Thanks for highlighting the hydrofoil issue. It's certainly a problem, but I plan on checking their schedules. I would not have too much interaction with as I'd hope to leave from Tai O, following the bridge. I'd be well away from the HK-MO ferries until the very end and would be running perpendicular to other CN ferries that follow "roads" on the sea.

    Why? I would like to this once as a bucket list item. It's just one of those things. Like Mac100 and I have previously cycled all around HK in one day. (HKI-Kowloon-NT-Lantau, costal with ferries). Not about speed, time or racing - just getting it done.

    I do appreciate your concern for my safety re. hydrofoils, but if you have knowledge on immigration aspects I'd appreciate that.
    Hugging the bridge might lessen the conflict with the HK-Macau ferry, but remember, there are also the HK to Zhuhai, Zhongshan and Guangzhou ferries to watch out for.
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