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Immigration Policy - is it working as planned?

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    Immigration Policy - is it working as planned?


    Quarter of HK children live in poverty

    13-12-2012
    audio Professor Chou Kee-lee spoke to Wendy Wong
    A study has found that one-in- four Hong Kong children - or 275,000 - are living in poverty. Researchers at the Hong Kong Institute of Education found the problem to be particularly acute among new immigrant and single-parent families.

    Professor Chou Kee-lee - the Associate Head of the institute's Department of Asian and Policy Studies - has urged the government to come up with long-term policies to ensure these deprived children have equal education opportunities.


    From the SCMP

    About 150 mainland immigrants per day, on average, have moved here since the 1997 handover – about 54,000 per year.



    Why is the policy of allowing significant numbers of low level immigrants maintained while new policies such as restricting affordable international curriculum education, tax on Non-PR home buyers are introduced to drive away high level immigrants?
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    It's the property market (and how it warps and twist HK), plain and simple.

    Besides, the ugly reality is that HK needs poor, low-skilled and low education migrants to do the jobs that many locals would'nt. I see the same thing in the West. Just like how Singapore hires mainland Chinese bus drivers as Singaporeans aren't willing to do those jobs anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Why is the policy of allowing significant numbers of low level immigrants maintained while new policies such as restricting affordable international curriculum education, tax on Non-PR home buyers are introduced to drive away high level immigrants?
    The brainwashing of the majority of HKers isn't proceeding quickly enough and sane HKers aren't emigrating at a high enough rate to satisfy the Mainland and its toadies in HK.

    Poor and poorly-educated Mainlanders have to be imported to ensure that, when something like a "free" election is eventually held, the Mainland-backed candidate can win easily.

    In the meantime, they can be used to exert wage pressure on HKers and employed off the books as violent counter-demonstrators to shout down pro-democracy HKers. When the Mainland-but-moved-to-HK/HK-born-but-raised-by-one-or-both-Mainland-parents kids who have been funneled through local pro-PRC schools and who have participated in Boy-Scouts-on-steroids pro-PRC pseudo-paramilitary groups hit their mid-teens in large numbers, they will be used to do what the police cannot: attack peaceful HK protestors to frighten them out of participating in pro-democracy movements and give the government excuses to make further restrictions on protests that will always, oddly, not be as strictly applied to patriotic groups (e.g. the anti-Falun-Gong banners flapping in Kowloon currently, the way that pan-Dem political banners always seem to get defaced and cut up while pro-BJ banners hang undisturbed).

    Picture the Scholarism kids being violently set upon by a flash mob of angry pro-Beijing teens with red and gold flag temporary tattoos on their cheeks, armed with bits of pipe, bamboo poles, etc. Flash mob vanishes, police investigate but are unable to ever catch anyone, and people are too frightened to protest against "national education" or anything else again.

    We have already had Mainland tourists participating in anti-democracy, pro-Mainland demos here in HK. That's just the beginning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dear giant:
    ... We have already had Mainland tourists participating in anti-democracy, pro-Mainland demos here in HK. That's just the beginning.
    People, remember this post as this is Trojan Horse policy is EXACTLY what's going to happen in the years to come if the CCP stays in power across the border.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatts:
    People, remember this post as this is Trojan Horse policy is EXACTLY what's going to happen in the years to come if the CCP stays in power across the border.
    Not disagreeing with the trojan horse policy, but you think the CCP is going to fall from power anytime soon? People have wrongly forecast the CCP's fall many times. Starting from the long march in the 30's, when the CCP was on the brink of total destruction by the KMT. During the cultural revolution in the '60's, when the party was almost destroyed internally. During the immediate aftermath of Tiananmen, when China's prospects looked dim. During the death of Deng Xiaoping in 97. All were wrong. So I would'nt be holding my breath about the fall of the CCP in the foreseeable future.

    Of course, no one predicted the fall of the Berlin Wall or the dissolution of the USSR either, but China's CCP, whether you like them or hate them, has a habit of defying the naysayers.
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    I'm not predicting anything, but I wouldn't be surprised with so many Chinese being more exposed to the outside world now then ever before, that the one-party system as it is now will fall sooner or later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gatts:
    I'm not predicting anything, but I wouldn't be surprised with so many Chinese being more exposed to the outside world now then ever before, that the one-party system as it is now will fall sooner or later.
    Quite true, as Chinese learn more of the world, their thinking and beliefs will change in response, hopefully leading to substantial political liberalization/overthrow of the CCP. Although I may have to sound a cautionary note here. The CCP is unlike many other authoritarian states. They are more flexible and adaptable to changing technology and trends than one would think. That's how they've been able to survive (and even thrive) when many other dictatorship-style governments fell.

    For example, when the internet arrived in China, Western pundits think it could be a vehicle to overthrow the CCP through free expression. That hasn't happen (yet). The CCP were very clever in employing censorship controls. Granted, you can get around the great firewall if you really put your heart and resources to do so, but the point is the CCP is very adaptable. They were skillful in letting just enough information from the outside, but not so much as to threaten their own control. And that makes it much harder (but not impossible) for the CCP to fall from power.
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    Don't see them going anywhere anytime soon, especially when the military belongs to them. They are a smart government giving a little here and there to appease the plebs while slowly relaxing the old ways while still maintaining general control and final say.

    Who knows what will happen in the coming decades with them becoming more daring and prodding of their neighbours as we saw this year. Maybe they will poke and prod too far and someone will bite back. Then again, besides a rickety old air craft carrier I don't see them modernising their military enough to be able to handle themselves if someone does bite back.

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