Week 10 of Occupy Central: Updates & Discussions

[usehername]

And now you know how they charge their phones.

[Zero Gravitas]

yes, stolen from a shop from an old lady who was afraid to death and won't report the theft to police.

You've obviously never dealt with an elderly HK lady, nothing stops them doing what they want to do.

In other news

[Philip101]

You must be really stupid to think OC has lost. Even if everyone goes home tomorrow, OC has won by forcing the government to fully acknowledge there is a significant portion of the population wanting genuine democracy. This issue will not go away until the government act seriously, whether it is by listening to the people, or tightening their grip and exposing their true face. Either way, change will happen, and will happen soon.
A society as advanced as Hong Kong will never accept anything less than true democracy. It is human nature. Communist style of rule never survives when the people has free access to world wide information.
Democracy will come to China and Hong Kong, it is inevitable.

[drumbrake]

A society as advanced as Hong Kong will never accept anything less than true democracy. It is human nature. Communist style of rule never survives when the people has free access to world wide information.
Democracy will come to China and Hong Kong, it is inevitable.

Quite right. In the words of a song, "You can blow out a candle. But you can't blow out a fire".

[Cho-man]

Glad things are back in order on this thread.

So someone clarify for me, how many people exactly are handing themselves over to the police today?

[East_coast]

Did anyone ask those particular businesses whether it was OK with them to set up tents and close the roads outside of their businesses?

As stated in the other thread I did personally take the time to ask businesses located near the MongKok protest zone. Some were up, some were down.

If we look at the potential causes of reduced high rolling shoppers in the area there are probably FOUR principle elements

1) Reduced Transport Links - Net impact minimal
Reduced busses travelling and interchanging on Nathan Road will have reduced travel related spending on this 400m stretch and also may have made other areas of the city relatively easier

2) Students blocking access to shops - No net impact
They did not but having nathan road as a pedestrian walkway did allow people better access to the west side shopping zones (this may of hurt the traditional triad led activities)

3) Government warnings to stay away from the area - Some Impact
The repeated demonising and distortion of the issues by the government and the press certainly did make people think twice about going to MongKok during the OC event. Having travelled in and around the area many times and various. Certainly many mainland visitors I have spoken to would not go shopping in MongKok due to the 'anarchy' while others that did visit the sites were surprised by the civil nature. As a word of caution no-one should really be in MongKok on your own in the small hours.

4) Chairman Xi's purge of non-aligned corrupt officials - Significant impact
A common tourist in Hong Kong is the government official coming to buy things VAT free. The threat of having your photo taken with shopping bags in a pro-democracy protest zone would be very career limiting. It has also reduced the value of high rollers going to other local tourist destinations.

[usehername]

[David Smith]

One point on the economic impact. While it is hard to feel sorry for the big jewellery chains, bear in mind that many of the salespeople are not so rich and make much of their income from commissions. Chow Tai Fook may not be affected overall, if people just go to another branch, but the people who were working in the affected Nathan Road branches probably had a pretty bad two months.

[usehername]

Chow tai fook and the other luxury brands are being affected by the anti-graft clampdown. They will continue to see lower sales figures for a while to come - OC or no OC. Yes that's bad news for the staff but it can't be pinned on the students.

[threesummers]

- at 0:37, Jimmy asks Joshua "How come you're not hungry ? Are you hungry yet ?"

- at the end, Jimmy is saying that young people aren't going to see things the same way as the older generation, a lot of people are asking whether Joshua should really be doing this; to him, it really shows the students' determination and perseverance