Had CY not made a fuss, I think many would consider these two to be jokers and dismiss them. When CY made a fuss, they became martyrs and now probably have more support than when elected, and certainly more than they had when their antics were first published. I certainly thought at the time they were idiots. NOW we see that they uncovered the real strength of opposition against anything remotely democratic in HK. So, I thank them for their idiocy. Only time will tell whether it wold have been better to get in and fight from the inside, or get kicked out and use that to highlight the hypocrisy of our current government.