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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    Time to wake up Kim I think you are dreaming
    The dreaming starts with the article. Sounds like Sim City. Put harbour here, cleanup brownfield sites, change policy, move temporary tenancies, next turn. All easily done by 2030.

    Here's my proposal. You can keep your harbour, we, in Tuen Mun, take the horse track in Happy Valley instead, and you can fill that part with loads of public housing. Tuen Mun already has a giant power plant, a huge garbage dump, takes the city's recycling, treats the cities sludge, and provides a ton of public housing. Screw this proposal of putting the harbour here especially given that Tuen Mun road is already jammed most days.

    The article should read, theoretically Hong Kong has enough land for 2.8 million flats, but practically a lot of these proposals are not feasible within the coming decade.

    What the government has done is commit to 460000 units under a practical scenario. There's a feasibility study underway to make use of brownfield sites, which aren't easy to deal with. These can take a long time to clean up and may not get fully decontaminated. Who will volunteer to live there? Hopefully, some good progress will come out of that.
    Last edited by civil_servant; 30-09-2017 at 06:45 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    The dreaming starts with the article. Sounds like Sim City. Put harbour here, cleanup brownfield sites, change policy, move temporary tenancies, next turn. All easily done by 2030.

    Here's my proposal. You can keep your harbour, we, in Tuen Mun, take the horse track in Happy Valley instead, and you can fill that part with loads of public housing. Tuen Mun already has a giant power plant, a huge garbage dump, takes the city's recycling, treats the cities sludge, and provides a ton of public housing. Screw this proposal of putting the harbour here especially given that Tuen Mun road is already jammed most days.

    The article should read, theoretically Hong Kong has enough land for 2.8 million flats, but practically a lot of these proposals are not feasible within the coming decade.

    What the government has done is commit to 460000 units under a practical scenario. There's a feasibility study underway to make use of brownfield sites, which aren't easy to deal with. These can take a long time to clean up and may not get fully decontaminated. Who will volunteer to live there? Hopefully, some good progress will come out of that.
    The article suggests there is a pool of up to 2.8M flats available.

    The suggestions are plausible and certainly better in most cases than the the usual distractionary nonsense those associated with the vested interest groups come up with such as the highly emotive and improbable suggestions of filling in Plover Cover, Country Parks, Sports grounds, mega Islands in Victoria Harbour.
    Last edited by East_coast; 30-09-2017 at 07:10 PM.

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    Nothing is easy in this town. Haven't you realized that yet? I suggest you apply for a job at the Buildings department in charge of cracking down on illegal structures. You'll quickly realize what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    Nothing is easy in this town. Haven't you realized that yet?
    Do you mean vested interests must be put above the good of the city.

    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    I suggest you apply for a job at the Buildings department in charge of cracking down on illegal structures. You'll quickly realize what I mean.
    Vested interests again?

    https://www.hongkongfp.com/2017/01/2...al-structures/

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Do you mean vested interests must be put above the good of the city.
    No, I mean...

    Nothing is easy in this town. Haven't you realized that yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    No, I mean...

    Nothing is easy in this town. Haven't you realized that yet?
    Are you suggesting mystical magical forces are at play?

    Or just the executive branch ensuring those on the selection committee and in control of obedient LegCo seats are rewarded?
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    Decent, as in covered in highly flammable cladding? How soon do we forget? Or what about your capital's homeless population of >50000? Hong Kong is not magically special in that it's the only place experiencing housing shortages. Plenty of places do. How about this city?

    BBC - Capital - The city with 20-year waiting lists for rental homes

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    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    Decent, as in covered in highly flammable cladding? How soon do we forget?
    How is this relevant? Looks like a rather nasty way to use the memory of probably illegal local government actions that resulted in a tragic loss of life.

    Quote Originally Posted by civil_servant:
    Hong Kong is not magically special in that it's the only place experiencing housing shortages. Plenty of places do. How about this city?
    You are correct there are other cities in the world that struggle to manage the affordability of housing. As you point out Stockholm is at crises level and the elected government is now taking some drastic measures bow affordability is a political liability.

    Price to Income Ratio:

    Stockholm 15.78
    Hong Kong 40.18


    Nie new towns plans to alleviate the housing shortage
    GCR - News - Sweden to build nine new settlements to ease “screaming” housing shortage

    And in Hong Kong the plan is still to restrict the release of land and make flats ever smaller to hit emotive flat numbers.

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    Very true--if there was the will it could be done. Plenty of resources both in private and public sector.

    Before new housing is built they also need to consider the roads and trains. They are already full--build more in NT but consider these people want a link to Hk side and close to Mtr. Pretty sure most of the Mtr stations are well developed at this point (or under development).

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    You are correct there are other cities in the world that struggle to manage the affordability of housing. As you point out Stockholm is at crises level and the elected government is now taking some drastic measures bow affordability is a political liability.

    Price to Income Ratio:

    Stockholm 15.78
    Hong Kong 40.18


    Nie new towns plans to alleviate the housing shortage
    GCR - News - Sweden to build nine new settlements to ease “screaming” housing shortage

    And in Hong Kong the plan is still to restrict the release of land and make flats ever smaller to hit emotive flat numbers.
    Total area
    Sweden 450,295 sqkm
    Hong Kong 2,755 sqkm

    Population
    Sweden 10,065,389
    Hong Kong 7,374,900

    Not a fan of hk govt but looking at these numbers I think the Swedish govt has it easier...