View Poll Results: Should vaping be banned or Regulated?

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  • It is a free country let me do what I want

    10 28.57%
  • It should be banned

    7 20.00%
  • It should be regulated & taxed

    14 40.00%
  • It should be regulated & taxed with higher taxes for certain flavours

    1 2.86%
  • Stop with these questions

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Should Vaping be legalised?

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    Should Vaping be legalised?

    Currently vaping is illegal in HK but widely practised.

    Some argue it is a gateway method for those looking to exit the use of tobacco dispensed in cigarettes while others argue that it is a gateway method for people to eventually get cigarettes.

    Should vaping be banned or regulated in HK?

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    Regulate and Tax it same as Ciggy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast
    Currently vaping is illegal in HK but widely practised.

    Some argue it is a gateway method for those looking to exit the use of tobacco dispensed in cigarettes while others argue that it is a gateway method for people to eventually get cigarettes.

    Should vaping be banned or regulated in HK?
    It should absolutely be legal. E-cigarettes are an excellent way to quit smoking. I used them back in 2013 and was able to quite cigarettes in a couple of months and stopped the e-cigs not long after. It is insane that it is not allowed.

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    Pro's
    * seems cleaner than the burning alternative
    * doesn't poison people nearby
    * can control the nicotine content easily
    * less waste (no cigarette butts to dispose of)

    Con's
    * unproven, might have other long term health effects
    * slight argument regarding "gateway drug" - entice kids into smoking (not sure this holds water though)

    Personally - I think vaping / e-cigs (e.g. iQOS and compatibles) should be legalised with any of the refills containing proven addictive substances taxed similarly to tobacco.

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    Maybe a couple of neutral information links might be useful here since, since it seems that the majority of stories in the mainstream media are based on FUD spread by tobacco companies in panic mode due to rapidly decreasing revenues in parts of the world where vaping has become available.

    Scientific American: Is Nicotine All Bad?

    Selfhacked: Is Nicotine Bad? Top 28 Nicotine Benefits + 4 Negative Effects


    If the objective is to help people stop smoking, once and for all, then clearly vaping should be made legal (it is insane that it is not while tobacco is being widely sold), but it should be regulated for 1) quality and nicotine content control and 2) age limit, only to be sold to legal adults.

    Since the whole point of the exercise is to help people stop smoking and plain pharmaceutical nicotine (without all the other toxic and addiction-causing chemicals added to tobacco) isn't significantly different in risk factor compared to good old caffeine, I'm not sure what the point would be in taxing it. Taxed for harm reduction/removal?

    As vaping becomes available, simultaneously start phasing out burned tobacco, first by annually raising taxes on it until ultimately banning the sale of that currently institutionalized mass killer.


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    Haven't people learned anything about war on drugs?
    Did banning stop any recreational drug?

    Regulate it, tax it, use the money on education and let darwin do its thing....

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    A UK study by McNeil et al found ecig using adolescents were 12 times more likely to take up smoking than never users.
    US Gateway studies show 3-8 times likelihood.
    If ENDS are safe then they should be able to pass an NRT (nicotine replacement therapy) testing before being sold.
    Hundreds of products worldwide are certified for NRT.
    To date no ENDS product has passed any such certification because the chemical contents, using materials intended for ingestion mutate when heated
    to the extent they are no longer safe for inhalation. The latest reports show ENDS cause COPD and the flavors used cause endothelial cell damage leading to heart attack and stroke, and DNA
    mutations.
    https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/first-evide...opd-population

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-02317-8

    Cinnamon flavors paralyse the throat and lung cilia and prevent the body immune system damage control. They also emit higher levels of heavy metals chromium and nickel than cigarettes.
    The Korean Govt just issued a report on iQos showing the presence of 5 cancer causing chemicals and the fact that iQos Heets contained
    higher levels of nicotine and tar than any locally available cigarette.
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...ible-to-let-go
    The tobacco industry admitted in 1963 that ‘it is in the business of selling nicotine, a highly addictive and behavioral altering drug’. Nicotine hits the brain reward receptors within 5 seconds after inhalation whereas
    cocaine or heroin is considerably slower.
    The tobacco industry is getting hit in USA and elsewhere with smoking death damages in court of USD20 – 47 million so it wants to get to a less litigious method of keep the world addicted to nicotine.
    Next week they have to run adverts on their US websites about the dangers of their products.
    The HK Health dept are gutless.
    They have stated they will regulate ENDS and prevent sales to U18s. This of course is complete BS as just a few months back they were castigated by the Ombudsman for being apathetic
    In tobacco control and having insufficient staff to check out the pubs at night. The smart Health Dept also loaded the checking of under age drinking on tobacco control office.
    They have at best 40 officers per each shift to cover the whole of HK, Kowloon ,NT and Islands. They do not have a tobacco retailer license scheme nor checks on underage sales.
    So the Gateway will bloom massively here since adolescent brains are more susceptible to addiction and TCO does not have any way to enforce the U18 sales fiasco idea.
    My guess is they will tax ENDS at the same rate as cigarettes.
    Last year the Govt received HKD 6.5 billion in tobacco tax and allocated HKD 300 million for tobacco control – the rest went into white concrete elephants and HKD 50 million musical fountains in Kwun Tong.

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    Cancer causing formaldehyde in ecigs higher than first estimated

    see the attachment
    the latest independent scientific data
    Numerous other studies to date show an inital assist to quit in persons intent on quitting by using ecigs- the same studies also show that subsequently at 12 and 18 months interval after initiation there is no successful cessation and the following happens:
    -The ecig users revert to smoking since they do not get the same buzz from ecigs
    -The ecigs users become dual ecig/combustible users - 59% of US ecig users are dual users
    -A small percent of ecig users do not revert to combustibles but they continue to use ecigs as they are addicted to nicotine
    The ecigs come with their own set of toxins and nicotine causes heart palpitations as well as calcification of part of the brain that governs memory

    A prominent promotor of ecigs in UK is this woman Dawkins
    See what she wrote in her study:
    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/647418...ausing-toxins/

    Of course she does not mention that vaping high strength nicotine will lead to full addiction, not quitting
    Good luck to your lungs and respiratory system
    Ecigs emit a shit load of PM2.5 and PM1 particulates that lodge deep in the lung tissue and the flavors cause DNA cell mutations and DNA strand breaks - mutations lead to cancer. For this reason California just banned all flavors in Ecigs

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    Last edited by dynamco; 19-06-2018 at 03:48 PM.

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    Vaping is not illegal in HKG - using nicotine (Part 1 Poison) is the illegal part- you need a licence or prescription to possess it
    Make an informed decision

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...hare=nynyumlib

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/29754582

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/science/bew...tists-12703518


    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25900312
    This woman and her group are considered to be the dogs’ bollox by Public Health England
    Read what her own group’s scientific study concluded:
    “CONCLUSION: Daily use of e-cigarettes while smoking appears to be associated with subsequent increases in rates of attempting to stop smoking and reducing smoking, BUT NOT WITH SMOKING CESSATION.
    Non-daily use of e-cigarettes while smoking DOES NOT APPEAR TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH CESSATION ATTEMPTS, CESSATION, OR REDUCED SMOKING”

    QED: They do not work
    A con job using human lab rats making the tobacco/nicotine industry rich

    https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/first-evide...ing-cigarettes


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    Quote Originally Posted by dynamco
    Vaping is not illegal in HKG - using nicotine (Part 1 Poison) is the illegal part- you need a licence or prescription to possess it
    Make an informed decision
    Informed decision assumes you have a choice.

    Which reminds me : are you on the "ban it" camp or "let them make an informed choice" team ?

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