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The end game, as i see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonastainine
    Democracy isn’t the end game. Getting what the people want via democracy is the end game.
    Can democracy do that? I would like to see it happen. I would like to see an independent HK as an experiment. Would these kids make smart moves now there are democratic rights like actually learning skills (speak English and putonghua) to get a good job? Or will democracy the road to more socialism per Marx.
    I heard this poster disappeared?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MandM!
    I heard this poster disappeared?
    Not unless they check my Expat posts at the border (I mean boarder).

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    Quote Originally Posted by PBPBPBPB
    Well, my students (undergrads and young adults) feel they have nothing to lose: no decent jobs (if you are not entrepreneurial), no home (unaffordable), no vote (no political party representing their views), and nowhere else to go (no Canadian, Australian, etc, passport). In contrast, my former students in China are prospering; business startups are relatively easy and in many sectors demand still outstrips supply; whatever they try their hand at mostly seems to work.
    HK and the Mainland are at different stages of economic development with consequent impact on employment and business opportunities. The mainland is a developing economy still not yet reaching its peak. HK already is a developed economy in many respects.

    The key is whether China can break the "middle income trap".

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast
    So how do you suggest to break the stranglehold of cronyism in Hong Kong? More democracy?
    A start would be the government making policies for their people. But yes, the problem runs deeper than that since its prevalent in other political arenas as well.

    At the heart of it, is that the types of people who get to the top in politics, are a certain type of person. Unless the whole structure of politics i.e. the rewards, the measures of success, the motivations, the status etc. changes, then it will reward the same types of people.

    Its like when a person keeps facing the same relationship issues from all their partners. From the outside, its easy to see that they are choosing the same types of people because those types of characteristics appeal to them, without realising the consequences of that type of personality.
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    Within limits, how else? For example, housing policy favours developers, not the general public.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PBPBPBPB
    Within limits, how else? For example, housing policy favours developers, not the general public.
    within limits? they can't. im sure they are not blind to the issues, its just that all the vested interests means they can't.

    Hence, the Hong Kong people, especially those who are more likely to face these issues, want change so much.

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