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    https://twitter.com/IlariaMar...45688328183808

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    And yet another lie
    On the operational call sign, Tang said this was unique to the officer, and any examples where this wasn't the case were isolated and would be looked into.
    https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/compone...6-20201121.htm

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    Wasn't there sustained periods where no identification was worn and units such as the Raptors didn't as no space on the uniform?

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Wasn't there sustained periods where no identification was worn and units such as the Raptors didn't as no space on the uniform?
    Raptors never had any from the 12th of June iirc and regular riot cops stopped wearing them sometime in July until everyone was supposedly issued a unique call sign (untrue) in November or sometime around that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramelec:
    Same as Singapore?
    How on earth can you compare Singapore and HK? Singaporeans have 1000 times more freedoms than HKers. I was going to make a list, but I might be arrested and kept in prison without trial until I die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_1122:
    How on earth can you compare Singapore and HK? Singaporeans have 1000 times more freedoms than HKers. I was going to make a list, but I might be arrested and kept in prison without trial until I die.
    You sure about that?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intern...nt_(Singapore)

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    Quote Originally Posted by john_1122:
    How on earth can you compare Singapore and HK? Singaporeans have 1000 times more freedoms than HKers. I was going to make a list, but I might be arrested and kept in prison without trial until I die.
    Realistically speaking, Singapore is far from a fount of freedom. Most important freedom they have, however, is the ability to vote the bums out, if they dare anyway.
    In HK all you used to be able to do was complain, and now not even that...
    Last edited by AsianXpat0; 21-11-2020 at 09:03 PM. Reason: Typo

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianXpat0:
    In HK all you used to be able to do was complain, and now not even that...
    You can still complain, only now the authorities pay even less attention then they did before. Because at the end of the day, the HK government is not accountable to the HK people for its decisions. It does not have to worry about being voted out if they are incompetent, unlike Singapore or Malaysia. All they need to do is please Beijing, and that's it:

    https://hongkongfp.com/2020/11/21/fi...ong-kong-govt/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ramelec:
    One system has predictability?

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    The huge difference now between Singapore and HK comes down to the size of the underlying systems.

    Singapore is a country of less than 6 million people. People on average have some money. People have passports. There is internet censorship, but no great firewall, so people are able to get informed about what’s going on in the world. So while the country is definitely not free, government knows its limits. Protests like HK last year would definitely lead to the leaders resign in Singapore. Even more so, as the government tries to set up Singapore as a neutral place for international conferences (like the US - North Korea summit)
    So while they are using authoritarian approaches to stay in power, they know they need to keep the people’s general support and therefore show restraint.

    HK on paper always was much more free. Even today many areas remain where this is the case (drug laws, porn etc.) and I think Singapore is taking it too far and infers in people’s private affairs. But HK having the back of China, they don’t need to care anymore at all what people want, maybe they sometimes even purposely do the opposite to show who is in power. So while Singapore has a government that knows they need to do things that keep their people happy, the HK government willingly does the opposite and only cares if their CCP leaders are happy.

    Also, I think Singapore is maybe the closest towards a technocracy of all countries’ governments. Not necessarily democratic but people involved are at the top in terms of competence (like Singapore’s leader’s (forgot his name) hobby is programming - Carrie’s hobby meanwhile might be torturing her pets).


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    Singapore is the way it is because the people of Singapore benefit from the PAP being in charge. Hong Kong is the way it is because the pro-establishment parties benefit from being in charge. If you think I'm saying the same thing read again.