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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthieuTofu:
    What about the other 1411, liaison officers with the triads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianXpat0:
    What about the other 1411, liaison officers with the triads?
    A pre-crime unit by the looks of it
    Around 45 percent of the new officers will be tasked with helping to “maintain law and order in the community”, while 407 new posts are to be created to “prevent and detect crime”.
    https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/compone...9-20200226.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthieuTofu:
    So won’t speculate, but proceeds to write out the speculation, then says the police aren’t capable of proving somebody arrested is present at the scene of the arrest for themselves. Genius.
    Last edited by AsianXpat0; 26-02-2020 at 02:49 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthieuTofu:
    Are bail conditions at the total discretion of the court? I’d be alarmed if any co-opted parts of the justice system started participating in the charade of releasing people but with onerous conditions.

    Maybe best to clarify exactly what is meant by reporting to police twice a day means/entails.

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    You can ask someone to hold out their hand and you push against it. They push back.

    You can show them this paper explaining why punishment is usually the wrong thing to do:
    https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/...context=facpub

    But both of those things are too difficult for police to understand.

    Is there an Aesop's fable for this?

    One conclusion from that paper above would be that the accurate way to manipulate behaviour would be to withhold the $10k rather than beating people.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jago25_98:
    You can ask someone to hold out their hand and you push against it. They push back.

    You can show them this paper explaining why punishment is usually the wrong thing to do:
    https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/...context=facpub

    But both of those things are too difficult for police to understand.

    Is there an Aesop's fable for this?

    One conclusion from that paper above would be that the accurate way to manipulate behaviour would be to withhold the $10k rather than beating people.
    Papers like those might work on some of us, but probably not for the police.

    What’s not too difficult to understand is not using their discretion to harass normal people going about their business and not beating those already under arrest. Ironically enough, some consequences for them would be helpful with that, and you’d think even the pro-order crowd should be for it.

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