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    Quote Originally Posted by CharSiuNow:
    I have gone the past months from "come on, don't be silly, that doesn't happen to" "yes of course that happens, now there's finally proof". It's still a major shock though. Horrible.
    Remember there was a time when the HK Police was seen as "Asia's Finest". That wasn't so long ago, but the protests may not have caused the decline of police quality and reliability so much as simply revealing their true nature that was earlier kept hidden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by William06:
    https://www.hrw.org/news/2020/01/12/...hts-watch-head

    “I had hoped to spotlight Beijing’s deepening assault on international efforts to uphold human rights,” Roth said. “The refusal to let me enter Hong Kong vividly illustrates the problem.”
    I think this deserves a thread of its own. A pretty high profile denial of entry, and on the front page of news websites.

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020...y-to-hong-kong

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51083521
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    Quote Originally Posted by MatthieuTofu:
    https://twitter.com/lwcalex/s...56624149913601

    Another “unsuspicious” death?

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    https://twitter.com/Ardenkong...38448519397376

    Never dared discuss these before, despite the widespread reports, since they seemed beyond the imagination. Given the video though, does anybody care to discuss if it’s standard for bodies not to bleed much falling from a height?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drumbrake:
    I think this deserves a thread of its own. A pretty high profile denial of entry, and on the front page of news websites.

    https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020...y-to-hong-kong

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51083521
    Another own goal by Beijing it seems. What does banning him into HK say about the city? The answer is obvious. That is simply going to provide ammunition to the US critics in Congress to sanction HK officials, if they want to do so. How is this of benefit to HK?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianXpat0:
    https://twitter.com/Ardenkong...38448519397376

    Never dared discuss these before, despite the widespread reports, since they seemed beyond the imagination. Given the video though, does anybody care to discuss if it’s standard for bodies not to bleed much falling from a height?
    I'm not a medical expert but the protester who died after falling from a height at the carpark in TKO was profusely bleeding.
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    https://twitter.com/damon_pan...11242573701122

    Very interesting. I didn’t think it was possible to disbelieve the police any more than I already did, but even after widespread speculation there’s still nothing suspicious.

    Here I thought it would have been wiser to have released the video after they made that assessment but they hold that opinion anyway.
    Last edited by AsianXpat0; 13-01-2020 at 09:44 PM. Reason: Removed potentially inaccurate personal observation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolboy:
    Remember there was a time when the HK Police was seen as "Asia's Finest". That wasn't so long ago, but the protests may not have caused the decline of police quality and reliability so much as simply revealing their true nature that was earlier kept hidden.
    There were plenty of rumours after Occupy Central. However, 5 years later we now have a full secret police, Gestapo/Cheka/MSS style, with arrests, disappearings and murders. It's chilling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianXpat0:
    https://twitter.com/damon_pan...11242573701122

    Very interesting. I didn’t think it was possible to disbelieve the police any more than I already did, but even after widespread speculation there’s still nothing suspicious.

    Here I thought it would have been wiser to have released the video after they made that assessment but they hold that opinion anyway.
    https://twitter.com/OSINTHK/s...40097712427009

    Further analysis by a factchecking group. Not yet convinced (anybody dealt with the backpack?), but adding here to balance the information provided yesterday.

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    A local tycoon, son of disgraced former chairman of HK developer Sun Hun Kai, has suggested that HK people go to the Pearl River Delta to find jobs as a means to alleviate social divisions and "win heart and minds" in HK:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...ind-jobs-china

    Th article also mentioned that a survey found young people in HK has little sense of belonging to China, apparently that is the only sensible part of the whole article. The rest does not make sense. How do you expect HK people to go to mainland if they do not agree with the values of the mainland? Yes, no doubt some will find working on the mainland a fruitful career move, but far from all. But most galling of all, Kwok seems to suggest HK can "sub-contract" out the responsibility of employment creation to the mainland:

    “The Guangdong government is in a much better position to provide work [for these people] in the province than in Hong Kong and hence providing employment support would ... enable us to implement our strategy [of narrowing the gap and reducing animosity between the two sides].

    Is this not an admission that HK has no ability to create jobs for it's own people? I don't think many young HK people will accept this. HK governing elites cannot avoid the problem that it has failed HKers with a lack of sufficient job opportunities at home. Besides, it seems to me rather self-serving for Kwok to say this. Is he really doing this in the best interest of HK? Or more likely, is he doing this for his personal business interest by trying to position himself on good terms with the mainland by promoting the Greater Bay Area?

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