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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolboy
    Another own goal by Beijing it seems. What does banning him into HK say about the city? The answer is obvious. That is simply going to provide ammunition to the US critics in Congress to sanction HK officials, if they want to do so. How is this of benefit to HK?
    The Ministry of Truth has issued a statement....

    https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/compone...1-20200113.htm

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    https://mobile.twitter.com/damon_pan...11242573701122

    Very interesting. I didn’t think it was possible to disbelieve the police any more than I already did, but even after widespread speculation there’s still nothing suspicious.

    Here I thought it would have been wiser to have released the video after they made that assessment but they hold that opinion anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolboy
    Remember there was a time when the HK Police was seen as "Asia's Finest". That wasn't so long ago, but the protests may not have caused the decline of police quality and reliability so much as simply revealing their true nature that was earlier kept hidden.
    There were plenty of rumours after Occupy Central. However, 5 years later we now have a full secret police, Gestapo/Cheka/MSS style, with arrests, disappearings and murders. It's chilling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianXpat0
    https://mobile.twitter.com/damon_pan...11242573701122

    Very interesting. I didn’t think it was possible to disbelieve the police any more than I already did, but even after widespread speculation there’s still nothing suspicious.

    Here I thought it would have been wiser to have released the video after they made that assessment but they hold that opinion anyway.
    https://mobile.twitter.com/OSINTHK/s...40097712427009

    Further analysis by a factchecking group. Not yet convinced (anybody dealt with the backpack?), but adding here to balance the information provided yesterday.

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    A local tycoon, son of disgraced former chairman of HK developer Sun Hun Kai, has suggested that HK people go to the Pearl River Delta to find jobs as a means to alleviate social divisions and "win heart and minds" in HK:

    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/poli...ind-jobs-china

    Th article also mentioned that a survey found young people in HK has little sense of belonging to China, apparently that is the only sensible part of the whole article. The rest does not make sense. How do you expect HK people to go to mainland if they do not agree with the values of the mainland? Yes, no doubt some will find working on the mainland a fruitful career move, but far from all. But most galling of all, Kwok seems to suggest HK can "sub-contract" out the responsibility of employment creation to the mainland:

    “The Guangdong government is in a much better position to provide work [for these people] in the province than in Hong Kong and hence providing employment support would ... enable us to implement our strategy [of narrowing the gap and reducing animosity between the two sides].

    Is this not an admission that HK has no ability to create jobs for it's own people? I don't think many young HK people will accept this. HK governing elites cannot avoid the problem that it has failed HKers with a lack of sufficient job opportunities at home. Besides, it seems to me rather self-serving for Kwok to say this. Is he really doing this in the best interest of HK? Or more likely, is he doing this for his personal business interest by trying to position himself on good terms with the mainland by promoting the Greater Bay Area?

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    https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...hat-government

    Last November, it looked like protests might end with the big bang of a crackdown. Ironically, given our government’s distrust of democracy, the district council elections
    provided a kind of firebreak that stopped an escalation of violence. But those who somehow think the protests have been reduced to a whimper are likely to be disappointed. There is no end in sight to Hong Kong’s upheaval.


    We can look back now and see that the demonstrations of 2003
    and the Occupy movement of 2014
    were mild warnings before the firestorm of 2019. Like the wildfires in Australia, the political flames in Hong Kong burn hotter and longer with each outbreak. If the underlying causes of Hong Kong’s summer of discontent are not addressed, then the fires will probably break out again. That is true even if – perhaps especially if – thousands of protesters
    are jailed, as appears to be the government’s current strategy.


    We need to accept that Hong Kong is in the midst of a deep-rooted civil conflict of the sort that lasts decades. November’s district council elections, where pro-democrats trounced pro-government forces, were a referendum on the protests and on the government’s performance. In most countries, the government would have fallen after such a dismal performance at the ballot box.
    Moderate and reasonable voice calling it as it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianXpat0
    https://www.scmp.com/comment/opinion...hat-government



    [/FONT]Moderate and reasonable voice calling it as it is.
    Not necessarily disagreeing with the main argument of the article, but the last sentence is interesting: "Don’t look to the government for help, Hong Kong. Let’s look to each other." I don't think most HK people ever expect much from the government. All they want is to make sure the government does not make their situation worse than it already is. To not take away their freedoms. To not mainlandize HK. To maintain the rule of law. That's not asking much. But the government cannot even do that.
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