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    https://twitter.com/alvinllum/status/1567465033466281985

    https://twitter.com/aaronMCN/status/1567486787794108417

    To me the points to note would be
    1) Claiming books for children are a threat to national security. (By extension, might video games that don’t feature Taiwan as part of China, or China as a “bad actor”, such as People’s General, be a threat to national security?)
    2) Claiming that a common law jurisdiction can be consistent with a place where I imagine that writing something like Animal Farm today could put you behind bars.
    3) Sentence guidelines are up to 2 years for this offence, and these dangerous criminals have apparently already been detained for 13 months, I think under the no-bail provisions despite not technically being a national security offence, so again they have effectively served their sentence regardless of their “undoubted” guilt. Not sure how consistent with the common law that is. It’s amazing how many rule by law officials have blended in despite their personal sentiments until disguise wasn’t necessary.
    4) The casual mention of trial judge/jury and their feelings… as though there were no difference between people pre-screened for their sympathies and those drawn by random lot to arrive at a general interpretation (which was a common law protection).
    5) Mindreading, guilt by imputation, and politics - apparently permissible or even integral to criminal cases if so decided by the courts, seems an inescapable interpretation.
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    I feel much safer now...


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    Not followed this children's book case too closely. As I understand it it is a story that 'could' be interpreted as referring to the current policitcal situation in HK/China. Is that correct or was there proof that if was intended to indoctrinate children specifically?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauljoecoe:
    Not followed this children's book case too closely. As I understand it it is a story that 'could' be interpreted as referring to the current policitcal situation in HK/China. Is that correct or was there proof that if was intended to indoctrinate children specifically?
    It's an allegory of the protests, police are wolves, the villager sheep are the HK people...doesn't take much to rise to "sedition" apparently...

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-p...ks-2022-09-07/
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    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3192786/3-hong-kong-police-officers-jailed-16-months-tipping

    The District Court heard that the three had fed information to the triad’s Tsuen Wan faction about a planned enforcement action on a betting establishment. The three also plotted to hire “actors” pretending to be gamblers in the den to be arrested.
    The agent then met the three officers at the triad boss’s request at Tsuen Wan Police Station, where the defendants gave instructions on how to make the staged operation look realistic and set the criteria for selecting the right actors.
    Police later called off the operation and arrested the three officers. A subsequent inquiry found the accused had falsified internal records about the investigation into the illegal den.
    Passing sentence, Lo acknowledged that the three officers did not cause substantial damages to the judicial system’s integrity as the police operation was cancelled, and that they did not attempt to achieve their goal using threats or intimidation.

    “The present case occurred possibly because the defendants stepped outside the bounds of the law out of momentary recklessness,” Lo said.m

    “I honestly believe that each of the defendants, having served the police force for long periods of time, is an outstanding officer. They committed the present offence because they slipped up and crossed the line. The offence is out of character.”

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    Harsh or lenient?

    Section 5 of police FAQs

    https://www.police.gov.hk/ppp_en/13_faqs/faq_g.html#q5

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    Woman jailed for two weeks for lying she had Covid

    https://news.rthk.hk/rthk/en/compone...8-20220923.htm


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    Pro-democracy lawmaker Ted Hui sentenced for something or other (does it really matter these days?), zero fucks given, he's in Australia, not planning on coming back...

    https://us.yahoo.com/news/former-hon...105533537.html


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