LeaveHomeSafe - No longer "Voluntary"

[ByeByeEngland]

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So you’re feeling is that your personal way of dealing with the situation means that we should all tow the line and use the app?

For those like me not currently using the app it shows just how far the distrust of anything originating from leadership has now extended.

It will become compulsory because that’s the only answer this government has. It will be mandatory in government buildings from 1st March. How I wish it would extend to the shops as well.

I repeat an earlier comment. We all want to live with Covid and prevent its spread but not under these current terms.

[mrgoodkat]

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Main difference is that the government owns the data gathered from the LeaveHome app whereas they need a warrant to get your credit card history.

[Sage]

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Was "NO, it's simply neither practical nor realistic"

[Sage]

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What don't you understand? The central crux of the issue it seems.

The ap is COMPULSORY (unless you work out ways round it, which we have already done)
Credit card/ wifi/ even carrying a smart phone is purely optional.

Do you understand the difference? A simple yes or no will suffice.

[alexdown]

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I still remember a similar discussion a few months ago, ppl equating it with credit card, as if Carrie's secretary have direct access to a bank's mainframe to reconstruct your smallest movement based on credit card tx (that aren't even geolocated - but I digress).. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[MatthieuTofu]

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If anything, filling in the contact tracing cards on paper would be better no? CHP could come and start calling up everyone who wrote their names on the card if there was an outbreak whereas app users can simply choose to ignore any notification (and I suppose they can't be contacted individually anyway?).

[TheBrit]

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You sound just like @civil_servant

[Sage]

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Good point you can't, just like you can't guarantee that with the app either.

That's why we've establish our own preferred work arounds.

[Baklava]

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... or unsafe, depending on where you stand on privacy, quarantine camps and government trustworthiness ...

[Aramis]

I have no issues with people not wanting to use the app or using a burner to do so if they leave proper contact details. If you're Jimmy Lai, it seems sensible. For 98% of the population, it seems paranoid but whatever floats people's boat. What do I care if the government knows I've been to a particular restaurant or building? I have issues with people trying to game the system, lying and hiding to avoid being found in case of necessary testing. The excuse that the government might all of a sudden round up everyone that's been in a particular location and send them to quarantine is again somewhat paranoid though they did put a bunch of kids and teachers doing exams in a hall which seemed a bit over the top. The more likely and sensible path is that people be informed/tracked to be tested. I accept the risk of being quarantined because the flip side of hiding myself while being positive and infecting/sending potentially dozens of others into quarantine/hospital as one moron did is simply just too selfish, if anyone was that irresponsible, I would fire/ditch them in a nanosecond. Ironically the reason why harder quarantine and stricter tracing is necessary is illustrated here by the amount of people that are quite happy to flout rules because they are more concerned about themselves than the risk to others. I certainly don't disagree that there are flaws and inconsistencies in the government's approach but if they are trying ways to open up businesses more quickly and being more selective in targeted closures/testing, I'm all for that instead of everything being shutdown.