LeaveHomeSafe - No longer "Voluntary"

[prospectiveHKer]

I somehow completely missed the news they were implementing this for...everything. I heard takeout is excepted but if I come into say Starbucks and order something and decide to sit down for five minutes instead of leave immediately as initially planned do I then have to scan the app or what?

I haven't been to a restaurant today so would be helpful to know how widespread and annoying this is in practice.

[MatthieuTofu]

I somehow completely missed the news they were implementing this for...everything. I heard takeout is excepted but if I come into say Starbucks and order something and decide to sit down for five minutes instead of leave immediately as initially planned do I then have to scan the app or what?

I haven't been to a restaurant today so would be helpful to know how widespread and annoying this is in practice.

Now News reported today that you need to use it as soon as you enter the premises, iCable says that the government has said that as long as you keep your mask on and get takeaway you don't. Either way it's not very clear. Looks like it'll depend on each individual restaurant with regards to takeaways.

[prospectiveHKer]

Now News reported today that you need to use it as soon as you enter the premises, iCable says that the government has said that as long as you keep your mask on and get takeaway you don't. Either way it's not very clear. Looks like it'll depend on each individual restaurant with regards to takeaways.

Judging from compliance with anything that isn't absolutely forced so far sounds like probably as little as possible requiring of this then.

[Eva C]

Went to the club house in my apartment complex today for a photocopy and was met by a request to fill in a registration form or scan the barcode with the app. Downloaded the app and scanned the code. Quicker than filling in the form.

[Cminds]

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[AsianXpat0]

1) I don’t have other HK government apps on the phone, even the HKO app if that’s a considered “government” app.
2) The cost of “paranoia” is comparatively small in this case.
3) The NSL was supposed to apply to a tiny minority, but we see the rapid expansion to people I didn’t even know existed. The retrospective look back approach with this, and the creep to looking into criminalising insulting officials shows how fast things can change beyond previous norms and expectations (clearly when the CENO “reassured” people that it could be done, she regarded it as a problem, or once again we were “misunderstanding”.
4) Singapore already provided a “good” example of how the tracing could be used despite previous assurances.
5) In the past there was still a chance of whistleblowers if they got up to no good. Definitely not so confident now with stuff like the judiciary approving warrants for seized phones en masse, or their drives to eliminate those with “different views” from anywhere in the executive or other branches.

Given the above, I don’t think anxiety is unjustified, even if one agrees in all likelihood they can’t or won’t use any data. It’s just general unease and distrust of government, for which they are largely themselves responsible for.

Expecting cooperation when they have been wholly uncooperative in terms of delivering good governance or even being honest is just too much to expect of the public at large. Who knows for instance when they might suddenly decide I need mandatory testing or get swept off to a quarantine camp? With non-transparent decision-making and their non-solution solution, obviously I want to have as little to do with their schemes as possible. So yes we may be evaluating this individual issue wrong, but as with so many other things relying on trust, the whole group of things coming out of government that people are incapable of evaluating is going to be looked at very sceptically.

[PWY yan]

I visited 3 eateries in Central today. One was quite insistent I download the app after I requested to leave my contact details instead as it was their company’s policy to require use of the app, but backed down when I suggested I’d go somewhere else. The other two easily accepted contact details instead.

I have downloaded the app now tho, less hassle

[bdw]

Its exactly the same thing in Australia. Either scan the QR code or write your name down on a piece of paper. And it's absolutely bloody everywhere, supermarkets, all shops, restaurants, bars, everywhere you go around town must scan QR code.

The thing that really shits me off the most, when you are inside a shopping mall, every single shop inside the mall has its own QR code at the door, so go to supermarket, scan, go next door to Watsons, scan, go to the food court, scan, every bloody minute need to scan something and there's a crowd of people outside each shop fiddling with their phones and jostling for position around this A4 sized QR code waiting for their phone camera to focus and detect the code.

Living in HK I got used to Wechat and Alipay a couple of years ago and scanning random QR codes around town to get discounts and promo's etc. But now Australia has gone QR mad that will put China to shame!

[TheBrit]

Its exactly the same thing in Australia. Either scan the QR code or write your name down on a piece of paper. And it's absolutely bloody everywhere, supermarkets, all shops, restaurants, bars, everywhere you go around town must scan QR code.

The thing that really shits me off the most, when you are inside a shopping mall, every single shop inside the mall has its own QR code at the door, so go to supermarket, scan, go next door to Watsons, scan, go to the food court, scan, every bloody minute need to scan something and there's a crowd of people outside each shop fiddling with their phones and jostling for position around this A4 sized QR code waiting for their phone camera to focus and detect the code.

Living in HK I got used to Wechat and Alipay a couple of years ago and scanning random QR codes around town to get discounts and promo's etc. But now Australia has gone QR mad that will put China to shame!

Why is Australia using such a crap system instead of the bluetooth proximity solutions offered on iOS and Android?

[Elegiaque]

I've been totally ignoring this app, and haven't encountered it yet...

A really dumb question :
Now they are tracing your name and phone number and if you're a close contact) eg served by someone covid positive at a restaurant), they'll know how to contact you and you'll be put in quarantine?

If you write the paper form, can you put a fake number? (hypothetical, of course!)