ESF: Unpaid leave / Disciplinary Actions For Teachers Refusing Tests

Mcdavid · 10-03-2021, 11:13 AM

Originally Posted by merchantms:

I agree with you that testing isn’t needed. But EDB does not.

And the teachers aren’t helping make the case for no testing by claiming testing exposes them to a high risk of being quarantined or hospitalized. Because that implies that it actually is needed!

I don't believe that is actually what most are saying.

They're saying that being back at school, and with students, increases their exposure to others, which increases their chances of getting Covid. Of course, then quarantine or being hospitalized would follow that, but it's spinning the argument to say that they just want to avoid 'being caught'.

Aramis · 10-03-2021, 11:13 AM

Why not test sewage and open all the schools instead

Sage · 10-03-2021, 11:18 AM

Originally Posted by Mcdavid:

I don't believe that is actually what most are saying.

They're saying that being back at school, and with students, increases their exposure to others, which increases their chances of getting Covid. Of course, then quarantine or being hospitalized would follow that, but it's spinning the argument to say that they just want to avoid 'being caught'.

Well if that's what they're saying then they need to show they understand how the world works a bit better, are they teachers or........?

If you're fat and 60 and wheeze your way to work then yes they need to be a bit paranoid, (until they're vaxxed - which could be errrr now) but most teachers - nah

Sage · 10-03-2021, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Aramis:

Why not test sewage and open all the schools instead

I think this a fair compromise and a good idea as long as the govt doesn't react like retards and go Q.ing whole classes when they pick up a few kids here and there.

Aramis · 10-03-2021, 11:24 AM

Now that vaccines are available to education staff, will the vaccinated have to be tested? I am going to assume that they will since it will be a while before the second jab and the effectiveness of Sinovac appears to be lower.

It would seem to be a good compromise to allow the vaccinated to skip tests. It encourages people to get vaccinated and it eliminates the risk of being sent to quarantine

Mcdavid · 10-03-2021, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by Sage:

Well if that's what they're saying then they need to show they understand how the world works a bit better, are they teachers or........?

If you're fat and 60 and wheeze your way to work then yes they need to be a bit paranoid, (until they're vaxxed - which could be errrr now) but most teachers - nah

I'm not arguing that point, even if it's not probably not entirely valid (not everyone is in the best of health and some likely do have real concerns) - but we should be honest about what their argument is, yeah? To suggest that they're trying to deceive and sneak through while being infected is either not understanding their concern or being a bit disingenuous.

chuckster007 · 10-03-2021, 11:30 AM

Like I said in my other posts, If you want to teach and keep your job, spit in a bottle and get on with it.
Its that simple regardless what people think. If my job required me to spit in a bottle every week or every two weeks, as long as I dont have to pay for the test, I would do it without any issues.

If I get caught with covid, im happy to be taken away to get treatment whatever it is or if no treatment given because im not sick, I get 3 free meals a day and a bed to sleep. long rest period LOL Brainwash myself with youtube and Kdrama's.

Sage · 10-03-2021, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by Mcdavid:

I'm not arguing that point, even if it's not probably not entirely valid (not everyone is in the best of health and some likely do have real concerns) - but we should be honest about what their argument is, yeah? To suggest that they're trying to deceive and sneak through while being infected is either not understanding their concern or being a bit disingenuous.

Agree yes, but I would say that THAT point should be argued. - It's the crux of the issue.

There should be some good data presented that positions what the actual risk is:

The number of infections in HK relative to population, the numbers of teachers infected thus far, the outcomes for those teachers.

The levels of transmission in schools overseas. A case study on the exam room scenario in HK - How many of those kids ended up with covid from the exam room. An explanation of the govt policy to date, 1+ve vs more than 1+ve.

The availability and procedure of vaccines in HK for those with more concerns. Vaccine data from the UK or Israel or the US (or all three) on single dose efficacy etc etc.