Big picture on state of covid HK (2021, 2022)

[East_coast]

There's lot's and lots of evidence that levels of Vit D deficiency correlate with covid and that Black and hispanic populations in the US have lower D levels than white's; blacks the lowest, then hispanics. In the same ratio's as how those races appear in the covid stats.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25112179/

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Of course they also have higher levels of obesity and all the other lifestyle related problems. Just so happens that reduced vitamin D correlates extremely well with increasing levels of lifestyle related disease in whites too. Teasing out all of the relationships between, lifestyle choice, health, race, latitude, education and socio economic factors is naturally very complex.

This video that examines the medical correlations, without even touching on Socio-economic factors is already an hour long:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha2mLz-Xdpg

What I seek to rectify are the stereotypes that race is regularly used as a justifier for socio economic disparity and yet too frequently ignored when its comes to genetic differences. One of the worst (THE worst?) covid affected sub-groups in the world appears to be Somalia migrants in Scandinavia with case rates way higher than their socio-economic status suggest.

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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...1111/cen.13097


Genetics play a role in many aspects of medical practice, so both you (and the NCIRD) do a great disservice to the world by glossing over it.

For example black people suffer very high rates of sickle cell disease (ALSO correlated with very low vitamin D) and yet the sickle shaped trait gives higher levels of malaria resistance and is a result of natural selection.

https://www.nature.com/scitable/topi...ptation-34539/

But ultimately race and social status of the worst affected populations should have little to do with the decision of Geoexpaters or HK Chinese about whether they get vaccinated or not. If you were to ask the average local Chinese population, I'm pretty sure the covid susceptiblity of African immigrants in Northern latitudes doesn't register at all, and if it does, doesn't illicit any fucks given. Defensible? Not really, but certainly not surprising.

Then go and measure levels of vaccine hesitancy amongst people in the UK and guess which group consistently exhibit the highest levels - yup BAME



https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n513



You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

And to re-iterate my original point you shouldn't be expecting them to drink either. There's a good reason why no country has yet made vaccines mandatory. It's a personal choice.

Anyone who wants to be sure of protection from covid, get vaxxed, the risk not to is theirs and their's alone.

Herd immunity can be a long term goal for governments, fine, but it's FF'ing criminal to expect it to be achieved before the restrictions are lifted on the rest of society. That would be putting far too much power in the hands of the least well informed.

Natural selection, much like personal lifestyle choices have an important role to play here too.

And some studies that suggest correlation is not cuasation.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...-data-suggests

[Sage]

However, there is also evidence that prior infections with Coronaviruses (ie a common cold) can confer some level of immunity. If there are fewer of these colds in Somalia, that would also explain the findings. But on balance, I'm happy to eat more vitamin D just in case!

If that were the case, you might also expect to find increased levels of covid in Somalia itself, which doesn't seem to be the case at a recorded (recorded) rate of 7ish/per million per day. (about 4% the rate of the significantly vaccinated US)

However I agree entirely, there are many factors that affect susceptibility to covid, that's my point, that socio-economic factors are only 1 set in a whole suite and are likely given significantly more importance than they deserve.

[Sage]

And some studies that suggest correlation is not cuasation.

We all know correlation is not causation, however for every study that struggles to substantiate Vit D's protective properties, (which is always harder to identify than curative properties) there are 2 or 3 which show that an effect is highly likely.

Vitamin D is already a proven preventative in respiratory infections. Various foods have been fortified with it for years now (at low levels) on this understanding.

Population level studies like this are always going to struggle to identify an effect when peoples levels vary naturally with seasons and latitude and lifestyle factors and when it takes so long for blood vit D concentrations to change after supplementation begins. And especially so when you have a new infection like covid which is rising and falling rapidly at rates far higher than blood level vit D changes.

Of course making a case for supplementation (as opposed to say spending more time outdoors) is not the same as identifying higher levels of Vit D with better outcomes.

There is also still a lot of disagreement on what constitutes 'deficiency' a.n.d a now widespread understanding that the recommended level of supplementation by govt's is way too low to be particularly helpful.

Fauci for example takes supplementation at 8.5 x the US govt's recommended levels.

The science is definitely not finished on the matter, but I bet within the next 3 years, govt's in the developed world will change their definition of deficient levels and introduce guidelines that will specify a range for optimal levels. And that advice on daylight exposure and supplementation will be a lot more proactive in addressing the sub-optimal.

[hullexile]

Very recent article in the bmj

https://www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n544

[ByeByeEngland]

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sorry didn’t realise I had to. I’ve made my point and I’m happy to agree to disagree. I might be right. I might be wrong. I won’t be losing any sleep either way. Thanks for caring for me though I’m touched

[jimbo_jones]

Wonder if our local masters are going to copy the voucher system up north?

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/scie...pping-vouchers
Get $xxx worth of Wellcome or ParkNShop vouchers if you get your shot (Sinovac - Patriots only)?

According to Patriots, seems like mRNA affects your DNA, so Patriots wont take it... Cant' seem to find that, or the making your Penis/testicles too big...
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...ne-basics.html

[ByeByeEngland]

Meanwhile ......

https://twitter.com/tripperhe...09377553551360

[East_coast]

Meanwhile ......

https://twitter.com/tripperhe...09377553551360

The trial of Tanya Chan will start on in a few days for what seems to be a similar issue except the participants all wore masks and sat behind desks some distance apart.

https://www.thestandard.com.hk/secti...athering-rules