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    Possible Cross Infection Case - Ramada TST

    Apologies for this being a bit all over the place - was not prepared for this as I figured it was going to be a pretty straight forward press conference

    Listening to the press conference, there is now some strong evidence that there is some cross infection in the hotels.

    Case: 29 year old Indian or Indonesian FDH who arrived on the 30th of March, released as "tested negative".

    Subject to compulsory testing due being on the same floor as the Indian Engineer who was found positive on release.

    Tested positive.
    Gene sequencing is being done to see if this is the same South African case.

    With the Indian engineer - case is being investigated to see if he contracted the virus locally or if there is local spread in the hotel (air con, piping etc).

    On the same floor that this guy stayed on, there are 2 more positive cases which overlapped his stay. Other positive cases have been found on that floor - but with different strains. Unlikely that there was contact.

    Cross infection could be during meal delivery / pick up - possibly on the door handle of the room. Inmates hang the lunch box on the door handle after they finish their meal and the handle is not easy to clean.

    Cannot rule out the possibility of the door handle being a vector.

    Looks like quite a cluster on that floor.
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    So the increase for some from 21 days to 28 days in a hotel is not looking such a great idea


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    Media asking if Best Western hotels should be checked as many late detection cases have stayed in various sub-brands of Best Western.

    - Not the door handle as suggested above. Seems like there is a hook on the door handle for hanging meals.
    - In TST hotel, there have been 10 cases at this Ramada TST hotel. Gene sequencing is being redone.
    - All residents who stayed on that floor from 19th March to April have been sent back to quarantine - 21 days
    - Not confirmed (no positive tests on hook swabs) just a suspected vector

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    How many of the confirmed cases have been vaccinated?

    - None of the cases in HK are fully vaccinated (2 weeks after second dose)

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    They have ruled out aircon and piping...
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    No preliminary positive cases for tomorrow!
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    How can they rule out its not spread by aircon ? In singapore, they found that happened.

    Also, if it is cross contamination from the door handles and the food handling, then bang goes out the window of the theory that you cannot catch covid from contaminated surfaces ! . Don't know about you but I spray everything I buy from the shops.

    Scientists in Singapore may have found a clue as to how so many people aboard cruise ship the Diamond Princess ended up getting infected with COVID-19.
    It appears the virus might be able to spread through air conditioning systems.
    Just over a month ago, samples were taken from three isolation rooms at an outbreak centre in Singapore. Two of the rooms had their samples taken after routine cleaning - they consistently tested negative for SARS-CoV-2, the official name of the virus which causes COVID-19.
    The third room however had samples taken before cleaning, and it tested positive. Thirteen out of 15 spots in the room had positive test results for the virus - including air outlet fans.
    Three out of five spots in the bathroom - the toilet, sink and door handle - also tested positive.
    "There was extensive environmental contamination by one SARS-CoV-2 patient with mild upper respiratory tract involvement," their study, published in the Journal of the American


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    WHy not just give the Pfiser shot to every new arrival and chanrge them for it if they can't prove the have had a vaccine with a high efficacy?

    The risk of last stay transmission at hotels would be greatly reduced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    WHy not just give the Pfiser shot to every new arrival and chanrge them for it if they can't prove the have had a vaccine with a high efficacy?

    The risk of last stay transmission at hotels would be greatly reduced.
    If you crunch the numbers I think you will find the number of infections there would be in the hotels between an mRNA vaccine at 95% and the others at around 70% would not be that significant.

    How long are they going to stay in the hotel? 1st dose, then wait at least two weeks, 2nd dose, then 2 weeks. And of course all that time they are open to infection.

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    If the door hook/handle/food delivery method is at fault, we should be seeing cases from staff soon-ish with the testing orders?


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