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    Quote Originally Posted by gardabble:
    Not necessarily. If the doctor is like a heart specialist or a brain specialist. They will command top dollar due to lack of these specialized doctors. General practitioner are the lowest paid doctors since there are so many of them. The only doctors salaries that the govt are able to control are the practitioners. Specialist salaries no chance.
    Well the pay scales are fixed in HA :scales can be easily found on line. They are liked to civil service remuneration .the brain surgeon in ha doesn't get any more than any other equivalent rank . Same as any public medical service in any country
    Private of course is as you say .
    So I guess we can all expect reduced surgeon fee on our private hospital bill in future due more surgeon competing for the work . That would be nice !

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    If you (or someone you know) are a doctor who wants to come to work in Hong Kong without taking exams, then it's great news. For the general public, not so much.

    Medical care could be much improved with a GP system like the UK, instead of the free-for-all here. After medical school, fresh after house jobs, you could go into the private sector and you could set up a practice to do anything. Hospitals won't let you in without a specialist qualification, but you could do anything in your own clinic eg the liposuction case. The medical establishment has too many conflicts of interests to truly improve standards as the majority that keep them in power be long to this unqualified,, non - accredited group.


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    so the only reason to study at HKU and CU medical school is gone


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    Quote Originally Posted by aquaman:
    so the only reason to study at HKU and CU medical school is gone
    Overseas doctors have less flexibility. More public service commitments, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkong7:
    Well the doctors have been nicely filleted .
    They join the ranks of the teachers, social workers students unionists and the pilots of course . All done like a dinner
    OK I see from today news the lawyers are next in line.
    Anyway Let's see if all the above groups really do provide better quality service in future since that is the cover story for the flurry of legislation etc etc .
    For me I'll only show respect when the 'powers that are ' tackle a really tough and nasty opponent -namely that lot holding ding rights the heung yi kuk .
    I thought it's already not that hard for foreign lawyers to come here. What do they propose now?

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    I worked in the nhs . I agree Hong Kong health care is way better '
    I am also extremely familiar with the mainland system and have seen how it's developed over the last thirty years .
    I would not like to see the hospital authority develop along mainland lines
    But yes I am a bit old fashioned traditional.
    But I am afraid it's still my opinion from the patients point of view in the end the Hong Kong/British model is still the best option as it already is despite it's faults
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    Considering the low level of taxation/ mandatory contributions in HK, for us to have a system even close to the UK is pretty good going. However, there are some fundamental issues in HK that need to be addressed for better care to the general public, but won't/ can't because of entrenched interests.

    Following from my post above, there is a failure to increase standards in the private sector by trying to deal with generalists or even specialist in other fields, trying to doing stuff 'belonging' to other specialities. That's why you get the situation of non-surgically qualified (beyond the basic medical degree) doing invasive 'cosmetic' stuff and killing patients, or of private doctors 'holding onto' patients that really should be referred to the relevant specialist. Further to this, a lot of surgeons who became 'specialists' on or before 1993 were 'grandfathered' in, often with only a short period of actual specialist training.

    But back to the topic, I fail to see how it'll improve healthcare for the general public, you'll just get a bigger pool of private doctors 5 years later. I expect this will be exacerbated by local doctors who feel that this change is 'unfair' and decide to leave the public system earlier than expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkong7:
    For me I'll only show respect when the 'powers that are ' tackle a really tough and nasty opponent -namely that lot holding ding rights the heung yi kuk .

    The HK government won't touch the Heung Yee Kuk, they cower in face of powerful well-connected interest but like to target those who are less able to defend themselves, like doctors, teachers, unions, etc. The government is like a predator, it preys on those weaker than itself, but get away from bigger predators. Like a wolf grabbing an antelope but then runs out of the way when a tiger approaches.

    Of course, it has to be said that the HYK's rights are enshrined in the Basic Law, so its likely more difficult for the HK Government to challenge them. Although these days if Beijing say so, the Basic Law can be changed on a whim. So if the HK government really wanted to do something about the HYK, they can in theory ask Beijing. But that will be a huge hassle and the government very likely won't do anything so dramatic unless they are really pushed and see no other options.
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    Much like other bills/laws pushed by the HK gov, I do not agree with the approach.

    However, patients are still allowed to go to their preferred doctors. Perhaps many mainlanders in HK prefer mainland practitioners anyways. That means locals can visit their local doctors with less waiting time. Not sure if this is applicable for Public Hospitals.

    Last edited by D.YU; 25-10-2021 at 10:04 AM.
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    I'm surprised to see so many people defending the Medical Constituency here. For years there has been a massive Doctor shortage and the Medical Constituency has done everything they can to fight against solving this issue. Something has to give.