Should your jab exception be invalidated if obtained from one of the accused?

[East_coast]

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...validate-20000

Probably not as no crime committed yet. One a crime has been proven then yes. And the state should go after the oldies who paid a bribe to avoid a vaccine that reduces their chances of dying sometime soon.

[Irish Man]

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...validate-20000

Probably not as no crime committed yet. One a crime has been proven then yes. And the state should go after the oldies who paid a bribe to avoid a vaccine that reduces their chances of dying sometime soon.

It doesn't reduce their chances of dying.

That's simply not true.

Everyone is exempt from being jabbed with something that can cause myocarditis.

[AsianXpat0]

No. It’s fraud if you purport to be vaccinated when you are not. Exemption is between you and your physician. What your physician is alleged to have done is besides the point. I am unclear what the administrative requirements on the physicians were but that is a separate case entirely, but if it’s based on science, vaccination-based requirements for entry are themselves a joke.

To be clear, this doesn’t mean I don’t think those involved were not foolish and/or greedy plus engaged in suspect behaviour. It just means the vaccine pass scheme and exemptions, if everyone is honest with themselves, was obviously poorly thought out. Not sure why neighbourhood practitioners are any more worthy of lynching than Covid test manufacturers. From their perspective, they may just be fulfilling demand arising from foolish policies…

Given the judge concerned, there is at least a little hope of separating the legal from moral points here.

[jgl]

It doesn't reduce their chances of dying.

That's simply not true.

Serious question here, and not a piss-take: Do you have a credible source for this? i.e. one that involves a research with a big dataset, that was published in a reputable medical journal?

I'd expect this sort of claim to pop up in social media (e.g. here, or Facebook, etc) but wonder how it is backed up.

[East_coast]

It doesn't reduce their chances of dying.

That's simply not true.

You are correct we all die at some point but the risk of death from myocarditis from a covid jab is not proven as being significant. Possible a very low number but too low to worth considering a risk while 6,573,274 have died of covid mainly due to not being vaccinated.


https://www.bbc.com/news/health-60653946

[vmlinuz]

All of the exemptions given by doctors confirmed to have given any fraudulent certificates should be null and void, but anyone who hasn't been proven to have a fake should be given a grace period - 30 days, 60 days, something like that - to get a replacement from a reputable doctor. Arguably, the seized profits from the fraudsters should be used to pay for the replacements...

[East_coast]

All of the exemptions given by doctors confirmed to have given any fraudulent certificates should be null and void, but anyone who hasn't been proven to have a fake should be given a grace period - 30 days, 60 days, something like that - to get a replacement from a reputable doctor. Arguably, the seized profits from the fraudsters should be used to pay for the replacements...

That's the point of the judicial review. They have not yet been proven to be fraudulent certificates.

For all we know all these patients paid a sum of money to a doctor who were very effective at reviewing electronically shared medical records and issuing certificates. The hefty fee may have included the cost to assist in enrolling in the Hospital Authority online record sharing system.

[jgl]

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I know enough anti-vaxxers to realise that some of them are... pretty normal human beings. But the ones I know do at least seem to agree that the vaccines do have some effect (just that the overall benefit of the effect is insufficient to overcome other objections).

But yeah, claiming that vaccines are statistically and probably bad for society overall, that's a step further. That's why I want to know if someone can point to any credible support... I suspect the answer is either no and radio silence (which is what has happened here), or it's Facebook/Parler ravings.

[AsianXpat0]

https://twitter.com/alvinllum/status/1583380693018890240

Laudable if useless decision based on law, not what public opinion or what the government might want. Sad that it’s a fringe issue and contentious with the section of the public believing lack of vaccination is the problem, but showcases the best of old Hong Kong.

[AsianXpat0]

Government lawyers had argued that it was necessary to nullify "questionable" certificates to reduce infection risks

Compare and contrast. Observers might say what is questionable is the consistency of the logic. To date have not seen a quantification of the costs and benefits of various measures such as the various components of social distancing, vaccine passes, and masking, let alone a comparison between them.

But my unreserved congratulations to attendees who wish to eat nonetheless.