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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Forced shopping and dining tours should be banned

    https://www.thestandard.com.hk/secti...-quality-tours
    Is forced shopping still a big problem.. I know this was an issue before but not sure if it still is, at least for these recent reports which seem to be caused mostly by inconsiderate vendors..

    See, reactions like these really frustrate me:

    Kowloon Central lawmaker Kitson Yang Wing-kit - "We can't allow tourists to have low-quality experiences. That wouldn't be ideal. Tourists need to eat, play, and buy happily for a good vacation experience," he said. "But are the mainland tourists having a good experience?"
    Based on the soundbites in some articles, a lot seem happy with their tour experience but so what.. How we position and market HK as a tourist attraction should matter to us, even if the tour groups dun mind low-quality. No one's saying it has to be pricey but good value/affordable isn't the same as pricing to be dirt cheap. Backpackers are probably the most budget travellers but we don't consider them low quality even if they're paying US$5 a night for a bed but that's because they're here on their own. If the HK side tour agencies are still booking mainland tours for zero fee + shopping like before where they earn via commission from shop, then yes ban the practice. Why even zero fee to begin with, cuz we want tourists to go back home and sell HK as dirt cheap destination? >.<

    Going for "high quality" tourists isn't being snobby, it's something a few other countries have alr been trying to do. This is almost the same problem as the golden visa where the programs end earlier than expected due to over whelming response. The average financial level and ease of mobility globally means travel is no longer special like before and unless we start being more discerning abt the actual impact of each tourist dollar on home economy, continuing to price things cheap using the old logic that there can be no downside to volume biz is just silly..
    Last edited by sarsi; 05-04-2023 at 11:22 PM.

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    Forget promoting HK on the mainland, it seems like the mainland has a bit of work to do in HK first!!

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...ar-destination


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    Quote Originally Posted by GentleGeorge:
    Forget promoting HK on the mainland, it seems like the mainland has a bit of work to do in HK first!!

    https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/...ar-destination
    China has never been hugely popular for HK leisure travellers. For many reasons.

    Was in Macau recently and it was mobbed with mainland tourists. Not just the casinos. Tapia village was shoulder to shoulder at lunchtime. Excessive, but I'm sure the Macau tourism people aren't complaining. This how many more tourists they would have got if only they'd thought about dancing air stewards and ageing Cantopop stars ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GentleGeorge:
    Forget promoting HK on the mainland, it seems like the mainland has a bit of work to do in HK first!!
    No.. RMB in exchange for our HKD is the same kind of useless to the China side imo. Chinese or other tourists showing up in HK are all welcome for sure but as far as how the tax dollar should be spent to earn HK income via export tourism, these should target higher income bracket/GDP per capita countries that ideally bring in real forex that will naturally supplement some of HK's own expenditure on imports. RMB isn't real forex plus it is the least versatile type of income HK can earn from tourism cuz the only direct usage as-is is in China.

    Imo export tourism income ultimately affects home country income. As a conscious mass marketing effort, it makes no economic sense for a home country to want to target & attract tourists from countries below their own GDP per capita level - you're basically burning $1 of home resources to earn less than $1. A good deal for home country would be if that was earned from a country that is well above our own SOL cuz that means we managed monetize an intangible home resource. Pricing stuff cheap for mass market mainlanders that as what article says is good for tourism because this segment comprise ppl not as well off and wouldn't be able to afford more is dogshit stupidity and nonsense - what should happen is they visit if they really want to after saving up for a special treat as should be the case for any country marketing themselves as a experience to cherish. Cheap prices for flow, no thank you, I can only see downside alr now, not a single up.

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    Tourists don't really want to go to China. Hong Kong is generally seen as China now after all the changes since 2019. We're never going back to the bygone era.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkongmusic:
    Tourists don't really want to go to China. Hong Kong is generally seen as China now after all the changes since 2019. We're never going back to the bygone era.
    Never can be a fairly short time.. case in point

    Quote Originally Posted by sarsi:
    I been told my whole life 1. Casinos - the house always wins and 2. Banks are the safest. These 2 will never lose money. So in my lifetime, the impossible has happened. More than 1 bank has gone under. Trump, a mere mortal, actually managed to bankrupt a casino (more than 1?) and also went on to be POTUS

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    Get your facts right about Trump bankruptcy and casinos. Read the story and then explain to me how the utter scumbag managed to asset strip, deny thousands pensions etc and is still loved by millions


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    Quote Originally Posted by ByeByeEngland:
    Get your facts right about Trump bankruptcy and casinos. Read the story and then explain to me how the utter scumbag managed to asset strip, deny thousands pensions etc and is still loved by millions
    Hmm. I wasn't actually suggesting his casino bankruptcies came by due to some fluke of fate against all odds despite brilliant management..

    Or for that matter the bank(ssss) going under either..

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    Did tourists used to come to HK because there was no NSL? No.. they would however stop coming if shops are now closing at wtf omg 8:30pm, even earlier than before. I am assuming this is people havin semi ptsd/pandemic lifestyle withdrawal after trying for a short time to amp up to before and deciding omg working really sucks. Usually the cure for that comes naturally when there is a real economic downturn and ppl scramble to not wfm anymore/other demands to minimize risk of layoff.. I am going to stay out as late as possible going forward, everyone should too if possible.

    The reason why ppl always say banks are safest, casinos always win is because they believe the structure/system is such a winning one that it can never be brought down no matter the amount of ineptitude or whoever the idiot managing it. There is no such thing as never when game, problem and solution are all man-made.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FrancisX:
    China has never been hugely popular for HK leisure travellers. For many reasons.
    China has never been popular for most of the world. Considering size and population of the country, its visitor numbers are underwhelming: 48mil in 2018 vs. Thailand's 40mil or France's 89mil (+/- depending which source you reference).

    We've all heard Malaysia truly Asia, Incredibly India, Amazing Thailand, or It's more fun in the Philippines. China?

    Apparently since 2019 it's been Explore the World with Us. Prior to that it was China Like Never Before. I'm not quite sure why I'd want to explore the world when traveling through China (and not explore China)..

    China's tourism board has huge budgets but are clueless. Same mentality that prevents CGTN from being a world class broadcaster (and no, I don't mean the censorship), and same mentality that dishes up sea cucumber and fish maw to invited guests in an attempt to impress. China is culturally different, which is absolutely fine (if not exciting) - but both CNTB and CGTN routinely hire foreigners, refuse to embrace any suggestions, then continue to dish out clueless content that has no impact on a foreign audience.

    Forget HK visitors: China needs to market itself better to the world. PR has never been its strongpoint.
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