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    Quote Originally Posted by shri
    We're fucked .... Jesus has left the building.

    Now no one will come up to me and ask me if I'm having a bad day.

    https://twitter.com/the_churchnews/s...94562935693312
    And now we have more cancellations ..

    https://twitter.com/galileocheng/sta...17789043273728

    http://kkp.org.hk/node/20333

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAherbert
    effectively classifying every pneumonia as coronavirus is going to artificially inflate the figures, can't see that helping
    Completely note your point (if that’s what they are doing), and I’ll admit I haven’t looked into exactly how they changed the classification, but previously if you didn’t get the designation, you couldn’t get treated (and treated free). It’s possible it might help in that sense with genuine cases? The reports have been many suspected cases for false negatives returned, so you have to understand my hopes in that sense. If the antivirals do help, as opposed to being a placebo, if sufficient stocks exist, that could enable them to get those too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by balancedequatio
    ...I read that many traditional Chinese medicines help moderate cytokine production, as an immuno-suppressant so the body doesn't overreact. But that sounds like the opposite of what you want with this virus.
    Isn't it consumption of "traditional Chinese ______" (fill in the blank with whatever nonsense; pangolin scales/ bear bile/ shark fins/ bats/ flying cats/ camel scrotum etc. etc.) that got us into this mess?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianXpat0
    Completely note your point (if that’s what they are doing), and I’ll admit I haven’t looked into exactly how they changed the classification, but previously if you didn’t get the designation, you couldn’t get treated (and treated free). It’s possible it might help in that sense with genuine cases? The reports have been many suspected cases for false negatives returned, so you have to understand my hopes in that sense. If the antivirals do help, as opposed to being a placebo, if sufficient stocks exist, that could enable them to get those too.
    From the NYT article, link below, cites to the earlier work by the Wuhan doctor I cited days ago- it's not just every viral pneumonia that looks like this, they are pretty able to determine which ones are COVID:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/deaths-mo...130256527.html

    Here is an article describing the characteristic peripheral regions being affected:

    https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2020200230
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    Mainland officials "can't help" it if they are economical with the truth regarding the outbreak, it's part of the system:

    https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/02/03...ls-xi-jinping/


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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianXpat0
    Completely note your point (if that’s what they are doing), and I’ll admit I haven’t looked into exactly how they changed the classification, but previously if you didn’t get the designation, you couldn’t get treated (and treated free). It’s possible it might help in that sense with genuine cases? The reports have been many suspected cases for false negatives returned, so you have to understand my hopes in that sense. If the antivirals do help, as opposed to being a placebo, if sufficient stocks exist, that could enable them to get those too.
    if they adopt classification here, I bet the 10 cases of legionella would be captured as coronavirus and less than perfect treatment given. Also, pneumonia doest present until quite late, say on day 7 or day 8 (Dr John Cambell) so an infected person on day 2 or day 3 would show clear CT. As Dr's have said, it's damn tricky to diagnose
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cornmeal
    Isn't it consumption of "traditional Chinese ______" (fill in the blank with whatever nonsense; pangolin scales/ bear bile/ shark fins/ bats/ flying cats/ camel scrotum etc. etc.) that got us into this mess?
    I think there's a slight difference between ginseng and bat dung :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by MABinPengChau
    From the NYT article, link below, cites to the earlier work by the Wuhan doctor I cited days ago- it's not just every viral pneumonia that looks like this, they are pretty able to determine which ones are COVID:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/deaths-mo...130256527.html

    Here is an article describing the characteristic peripheral regions being affected:

    https://pubs.rsna.org/doi/10.1148/radiol.2020200230
    Thanks for this excellent article!

    Dr. Joseph Tsang Kay Yan, an infectious disease specialist in Hong Kong, said health authorities in China should use the testing kits more widely to get a clearer picture of the epidemic. He warned that the main disadvantage of using CT scans would be missing patients with mild symptoms, raising the risk of spreading the infection.
    In a study published Tuesday by the journal Radiology, researchers found that out of 21 patients with the coronavirus in China last month, three initially had normal chest CT scans. “We can’t rely on CT alone to fully exclude presence of the virus,” said the study’s lead author, Michael Chung, assistant professor in the Department of Diagnostic, Interventional and Molecular Radiology at Mount Sinai Health System in New York.
    Based on the contents, seems like the worries are primarily around false negatives. In the epicenter though, CT scan results showing abnormalities weren’t being recorded as coronavirus-related due to the absence of testing to confirm, so it looks like a helpful blow against bureaucracy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shri

    HOLY CRAP!

    Man, not even Jesus can save us...

    The Catholic Church had already gone into a panic as of last week with spraying us down with rubbing alcohol before and AFTER communion, and the "no singing" rule which made it a pretty dreary affair.

    I think the panic is due to Singapore where a whole PILE of cases were contracted in churches- SG has a lot of new-age mega-churches, not sure if these were where the transmission occurred or at smaller churches.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MABinPengChau
    From the NYT article, link below, cites to the earlier work by the Wuhan doctor I cited days ago- it's not just every viral pneumonia that looks like this, they are pretty able to determine which ones are COVID:
    they tested infected patients and still 14% were negative, there is a JAMA study that indicates pneumonia can appear quite late.

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