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    The source of the infection was not found in several cases today, but most of them said they had been to bars

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    There is only way to settle the debate. Close down the bars in question, wait for 2 weeks then look at the number of cases and their likely route of tranmission.


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    A more appropriate comparison would be to say that 80% of the local transmissions this week were traced to dogs and that the current cases also had dogs.

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    More than ever.

    Closing the borders and imposing mandatory quarantine were necessary but were botched in the implementation - an estimated 3,600 people have slipped through the system so far + there is only partial monitoring of those supposed to be in quarantine. She's also dithered on allowing flights for many thousands of tourists and other visitors wanting o leave NZ (at present most of them are stuck in lock-down in hotel rooms and camper vans). Likewise, she's left NZ's outside the country to fend for themselves and/or make their own way home as best they can (in spite of Air NZ having most of it's fleet sitting on the tarmac). Ditto as far as supply chain management is concerned - it's basically been left to the private sector to deal with.

    More disturbing is that she is shamelessly exploiting the pandemic as an opportunity to slip through an extremely socialist agenda - many supposedly short-term relief measures are being legislated on a permanent basis.

    It's not coincidental that the NZ dollar has been on a slide since she took office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traineeinvestor:

    It's not coincidental that the NZ dollar has been on a slide since she took office.
    That's a very relative statement. For example, the NZ dollar has considerably appreciated against its regional neighbor which is Australia in the time she has been in office so it's not really an accurate indicator of her performance. Personally, I like to see younger female in office instead of old white cronies US style. It's pretty easy to criticize leaders in the current crisis, there is no good way to deal with this. I liked her reaction when there was a US style shooting in NZ. As to her socialist agenda, well it's what she was elected on so we'll see in the next election if she is going too far for the people. Her approval ratings have been well above Bridges so it seems you would be in the minority at the moment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis:
    That's a very relative statement. For example, the NZ dollar has considerably appreciated against its regional neighbor which is Australia in the time she has been in office so it's not really an accurate indicator of her performance. Personally, I like to see younger female in office instead of old white cronies US style. It's pretty easy to criticize leaders in the current crisis, there is no good way to deal with this. I liked her reaction when there was a US style shooting in NZ. As to her socialist agenda, well it's what she was elected on so we'll see in the next election if she is going too far for the people. Her approval ratings have been well above Bridges so it seems you would be in the minority at the moment.
    Race, gender and age are irrelevant to the competency of a leader and preferring or rejecting someone based on one or more of these factors is discrimination and bigotry.

    I agree that her response to the Christchurch shooting was excellent. It's one of only two things she's done that have been done properly.

    Last election, the National Party got a lot more votes than Taxcida & Co - who only ended up in power because National refused to form a coalition government with one of the minor powers. Bridges is sound but dull - he's the wrong person to lead a political party.

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    I'm retired and I'm not in the privileged position of having a pension, nor do I consider myself wealthy (although I appreciate that I'm reasonably well off my some measures). My investments are my only source of income (bar token consulting fees) so I kinda have to watch the investments very closely even though I'm no expert on financial matters. Right now we're taking a hammering (like everyone else) but financial and economic shocks every now and again are something we've come to expect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by traineeinvestor:
    Race, gender and age are irrelevant to the competency of a leader and preferring or rejecting someone based on one or more of these factors is discrimination and bigotry.
    That statement can be accurate taken out of context and reality but in a world which has and continues to discriminate against women and people of color and where old white men hold far too much power and continuously favor each other, it's refreshing and inspiring to see the population elect a broader spectrum of leaders. Young, energetic female and/or people of color inspire and allow for a new generations of leaders to emerge. It's pretty sad if you can't see that. When we live in a world that is equal between men and women, the young and the old and when the color of you skin doesn't matter then you can lecture people on discrimination against old white men. Until then, I will continue with my bigoted way and cheer on competent new faces that bring something new to the table.
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    Clean up on Aisle 15, clean up on Aisle 15 FFS, we have some spilled NZ Alcohol everywhere on this aisle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis:
    That statement can be accurate taken out of context and reality but in a world which has and continues to discriminate against women and people of color and where old white men hold far too much power and continuously favor each other, it's refreshing and inspiring to see the population elect a broader spectrum of leaders. Young, energetic female and/or people of color inspire and allow for a new generations of leaders to emerge. It's pretty sad if you can't see that. When we live in a world that is equal between men and women, the young and the old and when the color of you skin doesn't matter then you can lecture people on discrimination against old white men. Until then, I will continue with my bigoted way and cheer on competent new faces that bring something new to the table.
    What a load of bigotry. Equality is certainly an objective worth striving for - but it works both ways and far too many people are all to happy to pick and choose issues that conform to their political agenda as you have just done. Voting for or against someone based on their gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or anything else is unarguably discrimination. One doesn't have to look hard to find no shortage of institutionalised discrimination against people of all ages groups, races, genders etc.

    I'm happy to see new faces who have new ideas that will produce better outcomes. Taxcida Arden may be a new face but she's got no good ideas - she's just a throw back to the kind of socialist agenda that did so well in palaces like Venezuela.

    Also, since you seem to delight at jumping to unsupported conclusions, I'd like to point out that there are many younger people, non-white people and women whom I greatly admire. Just not the prat who's mismanaging my country.

    Feel free to continue your hate filled rant. I won't see it since you've just joined a racist on my ignore list.
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