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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Using this Bloomberg score HK easily tops the list. But is longevity in HK due to the healthcare system?
    It's due to the primary care they get in general outpatient improving cardiac outcome has a big effect on longevity : cardiac risk kpi in general outpatient are probably best in world so think diabetic lipid blood pressure time to diagnosis of common cancers etc

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    Boris Johnson leaves intensive care.

    https://www.theguardian.com/global/2...ys-in-hospital

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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast:
    Using this Bloomberg score HK easily tops the list. But is longevity in HK due to the healthcare system?
    I’m sure genes come into it somewhere. Always amazes me how slim most HKers are and yet diet doesn’t seem that great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hongkong7:
    cardiac risk kpi in general outpatient are probably best in world so think diabetic lipid blood pressure time to diagnosis of common cancers etc
    I just cannot agree with your post, as from my experience having been a patient with very malignant hypertension, in public and private hospital care in HKG, if I had remained being treated there, I would have either had a pretty debilitating stroke or worse, died! Thank fark we left HKG when we did, because the difference in the accuracy of prognosis when it came to my condition was chalk and cheese.

    While we are on the subject about hospitals, I must admit the difference in quality in nearly every respect is incredibly different. I immensely disliked going to hospital in Hong Kong it was just a shitfully irritating experience 95% of the time.

    Lets look at Hospital food, I was amazed how good the food was served in hospitals here in Queensland, slightly better than hot airline food and the periodic drink cart lady that brought magazines, offering either a cold or hot drink during morning, afternoon tea and for supper. Oh and if you have your family with children visiting, which they can do all day till 8pm daily, the fresh ham and cheese or chicken sandwiches they offer them all for free !
    All this was paid for by medicare btw Which I can thank the Labour Whitlam/Hawke Labour Government for engineering such an effective and socially fair system of public healthcare that we all enjoy now.

    Now, having spent 10 days in April 2018 in CCU over here, lead by a team of 5 shit hot doctors that knew exactly what to do, who streamlined my medical treatment to a degree that HKG just had no fucking clue what they were dealing with.

    Then there is the after patient care I have received ever since. When they set appointments for me to attend, ( monthly) I rock up at the appointment 15 minutes early, and have never waited in the small specialists waiting room for more than 30 minutes to be seen, no waiting rooms filled with 100's of people like HK where you have to wait 2 - 3 hours!

    Sorry, there is absolutely no contest, in how very different both systems operate, the HK Hospital system is mediocre at best in a very over subscribed, bog stock standard sense. I would say the average public hospital patient here gets a vastly better experience than any private concern in HK too.

    My opinion based on 4 years of HK hospital treatment and 2 years worth here in Queensland.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    Yes this is also what I am being told. Pavements busy with people "exercising". I think that exception may have to go. Exercise at home unless you have somewhere quiet next door to your house.
    https://medium.com/@jurgenthoelen/be...r-a5df19c77d08
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    I think that study goes against the "it's safe outdoors" argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skyhook:
    I just cannot agree with your post, as from my experience having been a patient with very malignant hypertension, in public and private hospital care in HKG, if I had remained being treated there, I would have either had a pretty debilitating stroke or worse, died! Thank fark we left HKG when we did, because the difference in the accuracy of prognosis when it came to my condition was chalk and cheese.

    While we are on the subject about hospitals, I must admit the difference in quality in nearly every respect is incredibly different. I immensely disliked going to hospital in Hong Kong it was just a shitfully irritating experience 95% of the time.

    Lets look at Hospital food, I was amazed how good the food was served in hospitals here in Queensland, slightly better than hot airline food and the periodic drink cart lady that brought magazines, offering either a cold or hot drink during morning, afternoon tea and for supper. Oh and if you have your family with children visiting, which they can do all day till 8pm daily, the fresh ham and cheese or chicken sandwiches they offer them all for free !
    All this was paid for by medicare btw Which I can thank the Labour Whitlam/Hawke Labour Government for engineering such an effective and socially fair system of public healthcare that we all enjoy now.

    Now, having spent 10 days in April 2018 in CCU over here, lead by a team of 5 shit hot doctors that knew exactly what to do, who streamlined my medical treatment to a degree that HKG just had no fucking clue what they were dealing with.

    Then there is the after patient care I have received ever since. When they set appointments for me to attend, ( monthly) I rock up at the appointment 15 minutes early, and have never waited in the small specialists waiting room for more than 30 minutes to be seen, no waiting rooms filled with 100's of people like HK where you have to wait 2 - 3 hours!

    Sorry, there is absolutely no contest, in how very different both systems operate, the HK Hospital system is mediocre at best in a very over subscribed, bog stock standard sense. I would say the average public hospital patient here gets a vastly better experience than any private concern in HK too.

    My opinion based on 4 years of HK hospital treatment and 2 years worth here in Queensland.
    Hong Kong Government Health Care expenditure 3.1% of GDP
    Australian Health Care ~10% of GDP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pauljoecoe:
    I’m sure genes come into it somewhere. Always amazes me how slim most HKers are and yet diet doesn’t seem that great.
    Some suggest Darwinism as many of the older generation didn't make it to Hong Kong.

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    Hindsight

    Probably not much, masks likely help slow the spread, they don't stop it.

    Obviously the biggest factor in why HK has low infections rates (relative to China) is the protests that prevented all the mainland visits in Dec and Jan.

    The simple fact is we STILL don't know what the actual infection and death rate is - There's a possibility that it's highly contagious with far more infections (orders of magnitude more) than recorded, with far lower death rates - If that's the case then mass antibodies testing is what might put a stop to.... lockdowns (not covid), the only thing that co.u.l.d have avoided the current situation is China preventing it's existence in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    I think that study goes against the "it's safe outdoors" argument.
    I predict that the virus will not be viable after its exposed UV.

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