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    To clarify which establishments should be closed or stay open. I was told by a business owner in the F&B that:

    - if you own a food license (restaurant type as there are different types of licenses), you stay open. The liquor license is an add on you have to apply for.

    - while for bar you apply for the club liquor license and additionally for food license.

    This is all a bit tricky but some places it's easy to see they're primarily selling food. While some it's just a grey area.

    Still to me it doesn't make sense, restaurants should be shut too and doing takeaways only.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plutark
    To clarify which establishments should be closed or stay open. I was told by a business owner in the F&B that:

    - if you own a food license (restaurant type as there are different types of licenses), you stay open. The liquor license is an add on you have to apply for.

    - while for bar you apply for the club liquor license and additionally for food license.

    This is all a bit tricky but some places it's easy to see they're primarily selling food. While some it's just a grey area.

    Still to me it doesn't make sense, restaurants should be shut too and doing takeaways only.
    I agree that enforcement is tricky and that it would be easier to restrict to take away. That being said, the current number of cases has come back down, there's no evidence of widespread community transmission and testing numbers are good suggesting that there shouldn't be too many asymptomatic carriers in the community. The health system seems to be coping with the current volume of cases too so it doesn't seem like stricter measures are warranted at this point and given that the lack of space in HK, it doesn't seem unreasonable to maintain the status quo for now.

    I would like to hear the government's plan for moving forward. When do we start scaling back on local measures. I heard a suggestion which was when more people were being discharged than admitted for a number of days then it might be reasonable to start the process of returning to normal. As always, I'm not confident that the government has a strategy nor that they will be transparent about it.

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    It seems the new Kowloon station has closed and all high speed trains to mainland stopped - not sure if this had previously been reported. I saw it on my transport app which was also highlighting cancellation of connecting bus services.

    The same app was showing an uplift in bus services for Ching Ming .... religious stuff seems to be causing clusters all over the world ... something to watch here. Ching Ming and Easter... outdoor gatherings seem safe enough but if anything happens indoors... god help us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK_Katherine
    It seems the new Kowloon station has closed and all high speed trains to mainland stopped - not sure if this had previously been reported. I saw it on my transport app which was also highlighting cancellation of connecting bus services.

    The same app was showing an uplift in bus services for Ching Ming .... religious stuff seems to be causing clusters all over the world ... something to watch here. Ching Ming and Easter... outdoor gatherings seem safe enough but if anything happens indoors... god help us.
    i believe the train station was closed long ago. Only the airport, bridge and one Shenzhen border were open. The bus service on the bridge has gone now so unless you have a private car with pass then that’s gone to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HK_Katherine
    It seems the new Kowloon station has closed and all high speed trains to mainland stopped - not sure if this had previously been reported. I saw it on my transport app which was also highlighting cancellation of connecting bus services.

    The same app was showing an uplift in bus services for Ching Ming .... religious stuff seems to be causing clusters all over the world ... something to watch here. Ching Ming and Easter... outdoor gatherings seem safe enough but if anything happens indoors... god help us.
    Outdoor gatherings are safe ONLY if the space utilised for the gathering is as big as a football field, and the people part of the gathering are 10 MAX, with 5/6 meters from each other.
    (Ideally 2.5, but let's increase a bit for safety).

    Otherwise they are as bad as indoor gatherings.

    Qing Ming, Easter and whatever type of gathering, indoor or outdoor, whether for fun or religious purposes, should be forbidden for at least a month.
    On this I have to say I think Singapore has implemented a good move, not because the move makes a lot of sense itself, but because there are too many people saying

    "I can only meet 1-2 people"
    "Just me and hubby hiking"
    "We go to the beach for a walk, we have enough distance"

    NO.

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    Time to ease up on the restrictions in Hong Kong in my view. Gradually over a period of weeks rather than all at once. Situation is well under control and the spate of recent restrictions will have lowered current transmissions resulting in even lower cases 2-4 weeks out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by derecktan
    Outdoor gatherings are safe ONLY if the space utilised for the gathering is as big as a football field, and the people part of the gathering are 10 MAX, with 5/6 meters from each other.
    (Ideally 2.5, but let's increase a bit for safety).

    Otherwise they are as bad as indoor gatherings.

    Qing Ming, Easter and whatever type of gathering, indoor or outdoor, whether for fun or religious purposes, should be forbidden for at least a month.
    On this I have to say I think Singapore has implemented a good move, not because the move makes a lot of sense itself, but because there are too many people saying

    "I can only meet 1-2 people"
    "Just me and hubby hiking"
    "We go to the beach for a walk, we have enough distance"

    NO.
    Evidence? Sounds like numbers you are pulling out of the air. Most countries are using 2m separation outside. For restaurants in HK, it's 1.5m separation INSIDE (and inside is clearly much higher level of risk than outside).

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK_Katherine
    Evidence? Sounds like numbers you are pulling out of the air. Most countries are using 2m separation outside. For restaurants in HK, it's 1.5m separation INSIDE (and inside is clearly much higher level of risk than outside).
    No need to prove any data with you, after your few posts on how you do data analysis.

    Jokes aside, 2 meters outside it is probably a safe number due to several reasons, from the droplet travel distance and the evaporation factor (basically from the size of a droplet, it is not particularly complicated to calculate how far they can travel and how they can evaporate, partially or totally).
    Consider that normal breathing runs at approximately 1m/s, coughing 10m/s, sneezing can go up to 50.

    Having considered the above, a safe distance outside would probably be 2.5 meters (I can agree on 2 in certain scenarios) and I would consider 6 for indoor, however we cannot implement these solutions effectively, specially in crowded places like Hong Kong.
    Let's look at the average 茶餐廳 / Cha Chaan Teng, if we had to implement a safe distance of 6 meters, we would most likely have 2xtwo seaters table: not doable.
    So we are considering that the majority of droplets of.a certain size are usually evaporating before the 2 meters distance, and we have made a trade off with that, but that is absolutely not a safety distance, but let's say an OK trade off (that I would have not authorised for the whole end of February and March, if I were in the government hands).


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