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    Quote Originally Posted by East_coast
    I have looked for a survey with 82% but can only find this worrying statistic

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ght-study-says
    If the new R0 report is accurate, it's another nail in the coffin for 'herd immunity' clowns... an 82% infection rate (instead of 60%) would be required to 'achieve' herd immunity.
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    https://www.vox.com/2020/3/12/211739...ion-quarantine

    “Social isolation has been associated with a significantly increased risk of premature mortality from all causes,” the report found, including a “50 percent increased risk of developing dementia,” a “29 percent increased risk of incident coronary heart disease,” a “25 percent increased risk for cancer mortality,” a “59 percent increased risk of functional decline,” and a “32 percent increased risk of stroke.” The mental health risks are also profound. The researchers reviewed dozens of studies and found a consistent relationship between social isolation and depression, anxiety, and suicidal ideation.

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    I had a Webex discussion with a bunch of friends back home on the weekend and this subject came up because a couple had parents confined in old people's home and were not allowed to visit them. They were also apparently confined to their rooms and meals or food are delivered to their doors. Now we all agreed that if this situation goes on for a couple of weeks, it's tolerable but in the long run, it could do as much harm as the virus. It is so important at that age to get a little bit of exercise and have a positive outlook. I know that if you gave me a choice of being confined to my room for 6 months or take my chances on contracting the virus, I would choose the latter knowing that I can minimize the risks anyway. When you have less time to live, each moment is precious and maybe they don't want to live them in prison. A bit like those who forego difficult treatment in hospitals to try to enjoy the remaining time they have. Unfortunately living in those facilities, they can't be given the choice. Yet another example of difficult decisions to make that have serious downsides either way and it's not likely to get better for them anytime soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TigerSun
    If the new R0 report is accurate, it's another nail in the coffin for 'herd immunity' clowns... an 82% infection rate (instead of 60%) would be required to 'achieve' herd immunity.
    Herd immunity 'clowns' still appears to consist of most major democratic governments and all poor nations.

    The below will be an interesting series if it continues.

    https://thetyee.ca/News/2020/04/13/W...andemic-Plans/

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    Trust?
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    Thank you for that, the article raises some very relevant questions:

    How can Britain, or any country, trust China to provide critical components for its 5G infrastructure when it could not trust Beijing to provide accurate information about a public health crisis?

    How can the US continue to allow the nation’s pharmaceutical and medical equipment to be produced in China when its media mouthpiece publicly threatens to “sink [the United States] into a hell of a novel coronavirus epidemic” by withholding these essential products when they are most direly needed?


    How can Beijing expect to step into a global leadership role when it compromised its own people’s health and safety by silencing whistle-blowers and detaining dissidents?

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    https://www.scmp.com/news/china/scie...it-coronavirus

    Chloroquine efficacy proves similar to what we might expect of TCM for COVID-19.

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    From my perspective, Hong Kong is so crowded we haven't really done ANY social distancing. OK, a bit. But things are so crowded, right?

    We've done mask wearing.... but it's so crowded I didn't expect it to be so successful.

    Now there's such a big gap between here and Europe. Why? Is it just due to masks? Can it really be just that??


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    Quote Originally Posted by jago25_98
    From my perspective, Hong Kong is so crowded we haven't really done ANY social distancing. OK, a bit. But things are so crowded, right?

    We've done mask wearing.... but it's so crowded I didn't expect it to be so successful.

    Now there's such a big gap between here and Europe. Why? Is it just due to masks? Can it really be just that??
    I don't think it's just that. I think that there is a also a difference in the strain of the virus overseas which makes it more contagious, but I also think that the other measures put in place (closing schools, quarantine arrivals) meant that there was never much community virus in the first place. So the masks were "good enough" to keep the R0 below 1 and it died out.

    If we had had endemic virus like the US or the UK, would a sudden move to 100 percent mask wearing have been enough? THAT is the question I think everyone would like an answer to.

    Personally, while I do think that people should not be sheep and wear masks "just because everyone else is"; the behaviour has certaintly been a lot easier to manage than the US "I should be free not to wear a mask" brigade which are just really bizarre. If mask wearing reduces the R0 below 1, it may be the single cheapest and least invasive of every strategy being discussed. Hard to see why anyone would oppose it for indoor areas!

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