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    Quote Originally Posted by shri:
    @shri: Tweet previews still don't display correctly on chrome. Only top part with name of twitter account is visible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolboy:
    No. You are relying on false assumptions based on the old "operating model" of Sino-US relations where business interest reign supreme. Trump has changed this calculation. The US is now more willing to bear economic cost. In other words, they are willing to bear cost to challenge China.

    This move is is going over a red line for Washington. More so than South China Sea. I cannot imagine Washington doing nothing. Some US retaliation will come, in what shape or form is up for debate, but it will come.
    I hate to disagree, but his assessment is realistic. Plus Trump only cares about Trump and the next elections. Whether that means something slightly more or slightly less positive for Hong Kong remains to be seen, but the HK community has to think fast what their own appropriate response is.
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    US will stop trade? Well then, China stops buying US debt, that alone is enough to stop the US in their tracks.
    Obligatory reminder that China doesn't "buy" US debt. It's what they receive instead of dollars bills in exchange for all the cheap shit they are selling to the US. If the US should stop trading with China and ends up manufacturing their cheap shit in another country, then that country will hold all that new US debt. And as I've mentioned in another post, China only holds 4% of all outstanding US debt. There also is no alternative to US debt for China to keep their US dollars in. What other currency are they gonna do their international trade in? That monopoly money that nobody can freely exchange and whose exchange rate is determined by the CCP? Gimme a break. As long as the RMB has capital controls it won't ever be used by anyone in a serious manner and as soon as the CCP removes those capital controls the money will be gone from China.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolboy:
    Trump has changed this calculation. The US is now more willing to bear economic cost. In other words, they are willing to bear cost to challenge China.

    This move is is going over a red line for Washington. More so than South China Sea. I cannot imagine Washington doing nothing. Some US retaliation will come, in what shape or form is up for debate, but it will come.
    So based on your assertion, it will be war ? Nothing economical is going to do permanent damage.. either sides.. so it will be physical pain or none...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolboy:
    No. You are relying on false assumptions based on the old "operating model" of Sino-US relations where business interest reign supreme. Trump has changed this calculation. The US is now more willing to bear economic cost. In other words, they are willing to bear cost to challenge China.

    This move is is going over a red line for Washington. More so than South China Sea. I cannot imagine Washington doing nothing. Some US retaliation will come, in what shape or form is up for debate, but it will come.
    Yup degloblization and relocating factories away from China are most likely the trend post pandaemic
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coolboy:
    No. You are relying on false assumptions based on the old "operating model" of Sino-US relations where business interest reign supreme. Trump has changed this calculation. The US is now more willing to bear economic cost. In other words, they are willing to bear cost to challenge China.

    This move is is going over a red line for Washington. More so than South China Sea. I cannot imagine Washington doing nothing. Some US retaliation will come, in what shape or form is up for debate, but it will come.
    This is such a naive view it should be put in the exhibits of "Naive University Museum for Naive People".
    The only "red line " Trump has, is the marking McDonalds put on his burger(s) showing "no pickles".

    It amazes me how anyone can put faith in a delusional, multi bankrupt, serial liar, ex tv presenter , abuser and borderline incestuous paedophile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianXpat0:
    I hate to disagree, but his assessment is realistic. Plus Trump only cares about Trump and the next elections. Whether that means something slightly more or slightly less positive for Hong Kong remains to be seen, but the HK community has to think fast what their own appropriate response is.
    Well I am sorry to disagree with you. The US has stake a not inconsiderable amount of political capital on maintaining freedoms for HK. It is politically infeasible for them to do nothing in response. That simply won't fly in Washington.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David4Maths:
    This is such a naive view it should be put in the exhibits of "Naive University Museum for Naive People".
    The only "red line " Trump has, is the marking McDonalds put on his burger(s) showing "no pickles".

    It amazes me how anyone can put faith in a delusional, multi bankrupt, serial liar, ex tv presenter , abuser and borderline incestuous paedophile.
    The only one naive is you in thinking that the West will have zero response. You keep thinking Sino-US relations operate like before. You are delusional to think nothing has changed. Please grow up and open your eyes. Things have changed. There is significant political capital in Washington to push back against China, something Trump himself cannot stop.

    Time for you to wake up and realize the old assumptions underlying Sino-US relations has changed. Even if Biden is elected, he will not get back to being hunky-dory with China. This is beyond just Trump. The entire position of Washington has changed in regards to policies to China. Business interest no longer dictate the relationship. Strategic considerations come first. You can either accept this new reality or keep digging your head in the sand believing nothing will change and continue to throw childish insults. The choice is up to you.

    P.S-Just out of curiosity, how old are you?
    Last edited by Coolboy; 22-05-2020 at 03:08 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mucaari:
    I just came here last fall to do my PhD. I still have a bit over three years to go but I kind of start thinking about looking at other places to transfer. It's a very tough decision now.
    If I would leave, I'll lose probably 2-3 years before I can start my career. If I stay but hate being here, probably might be unable to work for some time due to more protests etc., I'm just having a bad time for a few years, which is not what I want obviously...
    Just stay and get on with your life. Don't read the news too much (and anyway, shouldn't you be really busy?!)
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