View Poll Results: What does our new normal look like?

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  • - Indefinite country specific lockdowns with affected economy, travel, etc

    4 14.81%
  • - Acceptance that COVID-19 is here to stay and a focus on treatment versus prevention

    10 37.04%
  • - A hybrid of #1 and #2, punctuated by a series of stop and start lockdowns

    8 29.63%
  • - ? Who knows ?

    8 29.63%
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Endless Lockdowns - Australia, HK, Japan, Israel - The New Normal?

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  1. #1

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    Endless Lockdowns - Australia, HK, Japan, Israel - The New Normal?

    A rather depressing read.

    To summarise, it appears that every country that has ended lockdown (Hong Kong, Australia, Japan, Israel), has seen the same cycle we see here of a spike in new infections.

    What does our new normal look like?

    - Indefinite lockdowns with limited travel

    - Acceptance that COVID-19 is here to stay and a focus on treatment versus prevention

    - A series of stop and start lockdowns

    - ? Who knows ?

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/24/w...ntl/index.html


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    If it's really mutating and people are being reinfected I think it's going to end up becoming seasonal, like a more deadly version of the flu.

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    HK deaths are in the teens and daily infections in the hundreds.

    Yes it's bad, upsetting, depressing etc., but it is still many many orders of magnitude different from what is happening in America and Brazil

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentleGeorge:
    HK deaths are in the teens and daily infections in the hundreds.

    Yes it's bad, upsetting, depressing etc., but it is still many many orders of magnitude different from what is happening in America and Brazil
    They started where we are now though. Our infection rate is growing slowly but exponentially.
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    So the mortality rate here in HK is what? 0.7%?


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    It's pretty obvious that it's here to stay. Experts agree that even with a vaccine let alone without one. THQ question is how do we deal with it.

    My preference would be to remove all but the most obvious quarantine/travel restrictions (so perhaps classify the world into red/amber/green countries and allow free travel to anywhere of the same or lesser grade than the start point.

    Mandate mask wearing inside in crowded places.

    Reopen and encourage outdoor activities (move everything that can be moved outside).

    Develop fast cheap tests and test everyone once a (week, month, whatever is appropriate).

    Restructure indoor spaces such as restaurants to be safer (more space or physical barriers or massive airflow).

    Build more Covid specific hospitals.

    Accept that old people die and focus on saving the younger people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HK_Katherine:

    Accept that old people die and focus on saving the younger people.
    And accept that poor, brown people die and focus on saving rich, white ones?
    I hope you get a chance to read your bigoted ageist garbage when you get old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HK_Katherine:
    It's pretty obvious that it's here to stay. Experts agree that even with a vaccine let alone without one. THQ question is how do we deal with it.
    Your last paragraph is controversial and age-ist (were you trying to say finite medical resource allocation should be risk based...?), and likely will overshadow some other reasonable points you made. Some of those points are happening already - eg office design will no doubt be affected, and mandatory mask wearing is becoming more common internationally.

    As the OTP study (in another thread) referenced, the calculus between managing health and societal/economic costs is going to be ever changing and different for different countries. It'll be interesting to see in particular how travel bubbles are implemented between different countries.
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    In essence it means let the poor, the old and the sick die so that the privileged can fully enjoy their lives. It's so inconvenient not to be able to take holidays overseas and play a spot of tennis on the weekend. We just can't live like this


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    Quote Originally Posted by Aramis:
    In essence it means let the poor, the old and the sick die so that the privileged can fully enjoy their lives. It's so inconvenient not to be able to take holidays overseas and play a spot of tennis on the weekend. We just can't live like this
    Bullshit, it doesn't mean that at all.

    It doesn't mean refuse to treat old folks, it means accept that old folks are going to die whether you close the world or not and thus shift the emphasis towards an open world...... whilst doing what you can to keep the olds around

    The way you read HK Katherine's comment is entirely a reflection of your own bias.

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