Like Tree779Likes

Has Hong Kong adopted the wrong COVID-19 strategy?

Reply
Page 58 of 58 FirstFirst ... 50 55 56 57 58
  1. #571

    Join Date
    Jul 2019
    Posts
    287
    Quote Originally Posted by Sage:
    You appear to have misunderstood the argument; certainly nobody on Geo has claimed that we don't count any deaths with comorbidties as non related to covid. Nor did Dr. Campbell claim or imply that.

    What has been implied however is that a very large proportion of covid deaths would not have occurred were it not for comorbidities and conversely, people without comorbidties are at much lower risk than has been claimed by various segments of society - including, govts, the media, healthcare professionals and the wider 'fearful portion' of society.

    Colin Angus makes the point that the elderly and people with 'Asthma' (amongst others to use his example) are at risk from covid. And I make the exact same point, they a.r.e at risk from covid...... but those without any serious conditions are largely 'not', at least not to the extent that the ever present hyperbole would have us believe.

    We can start by highlighting the 50% of the population (across ALL ages, not just the young) in Scotland with no conditions that he posted, and then cross refer those conditions with the ones that appear alongside covid as causes of death and see how many more of the population fall into the 17k only risk bracket - and then examine that 17k only risk bracket and see how many are under 82.5, or 75, or 65....

    Restrictions disproportionately affect the young, and yet they face little of the risk presented by covid - That's the point.
    Yes, but restrictions are also there to try to reduce the speed of the spread and that's to protect everyone including people like my mum who are immunosuppressed and who can't be protected by vaccination.

  2. #572

    Join Date
    Mar 2021
    Posts
    383
    Quote Originally Posted by Sage:
    You appear to have misunderstood the argument; certainly nobody on Geo has claimed that we don't count any deaths with comorbidties as non related to covid. Nor did Dr. Campbell claim or imply that.

    What has been implied however is that a very large proportion of covid deaths would not have occurred were it not for comorbidities and conversely, people without comorbidties are at much lower risk than has been claimed by various segments of society - including, govts, the media, healthcare professionals and the wider 'fearful portion' of society.

    Colin Angus makes the point that the elderly and people with 'Asthma' (amongst others to use his example) are at risk from covid. And I make the exact same point, they a.r.e at risk from covid...... but those without any serious conditions are largely 'not', at least not to the extent that the ever present hyperbole would have us believe.

    We can start by highlighting the 50% of the population (across ALL ages, not just the young) in Scotland with no conditions that he posted, and then cross refer those conditions with the ones that appear alongside covid as causes of death and see how many more of the population fall into the 17k only risk bracket - and then examine that 17k only risk bracket and see how many are under 82.5, or 75, or 65....

    Restrictions disproportionately affect the young, and yet they face little of the risk presented by covid - That's the point.
    Also the link between Covid deaths and obesity has been ignored. Can't be upsetting people's feelings now can we?
    Sage, Yangster and HK_Katherine like this.

  3. #573

    Join Date
    Jul 2006
    Posts
    3,146
    Quote Originally Posted by njstone9:
    Yes, but restrictions are also there to try to reduce the speed of the spread and that's to protect everyone including people like my mum who are immunosuppressed and who can't be protected by vaccination.
    But it doesn't protect everyone does it - it protects people at risk (again).

    Even the hospitals being totally over run - which has basically not happened anywhere bar India for a few weeks doesn't benefit 'everyone' to much degree - It benefits doctors and nurses and people who use hospitals alot - .y.e.t. a.g.a.i.n, the elderly and weak.

    So sure, your mum benefits from slowed transmission, but would you suggest that we lock down 65m people to lower your mum's risk? You have already written multiple times that everyone is going to get covid at some point - QED, your mum too.

    I'll be frank, the price simply isn't worth paying for the rest of society. We don't pay it for the flu or staff infections, (to any extent at all, let alone pro-rata to the respective risk) or a host of other transmissible conditions.

    We all already bear a significant chunk of the burden of caring for the sick and elderly through our taxes - A huge proportion of which is spent on healthcare and benefits such as pensions and disability allowances.

    But yeah it's not just your mum, it's all the other immucompromised who's life is always compromised whether covid exists or not. Remind me again, how many immunocomprised individuals who truely can't get vaxxed live in the UK for example?

    More than 1000? More than 10,000? More than 100k?...... vs 65m? With a probably good 50m+ who are low or very low risk.

    The maths just don't add up.

    You're pro 'lockdown' (restrictions to slow transmission) for general society, but against it specifically for schools? - That's the problem with succumbing to fear and being irrational in risk mitigation - you get lot's of irrationality not just selected irrationality and logical decisions every where suffer.

    HK is a great example - HK people get what they deserve. Excessively fearful and illogical leads to the clusterfuck we see playing out here.

    You can't have your cake and eat it.
    Last edited by Sage; Yesterday at 11:54 AM.

Reply
Page 58 of 58 FirstFirst ... 50 55 56 57 58