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    Quote Originally Posted by JAherbert:
    bad news South Africa vaccination rate is only 41.25% population

    https://sacoronavirus.co.za/latest-vaccine-statistics/
    This variant has 32 mutations on the spike protein, which is used in most vaccines to prime the immune system to fight against covid. These mutations make it harder for the immune cells to attack the pathogen, and some of them are mutations that help it avoid an immune response.

    The issue now is not the level of vaccination rates, but the need to develop new versions of vaccines that can respond as soon as possible

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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    The vaccine inequality has the impact that everyone predicted. What is the vaccine coverage in Africa, 4%? Then oh fuck a new variant what a shock.
    Vaccination has no effect on virus transmission. Even vaxxed you can get it - and will transfer it. The vaxx advantage is that in most cases in prevents serious problems.

    If you look at the death statistics you see that death rate really goes up for the 70+ - in many African countries the average age is 25. I see why they are more easy going about it.

    Anyway, what has an effect virus transmission are travel restrictions and social distance.

    Being locked in sux, but means also we are quite well protected here, so far.

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    If this variant turns out to be significant, it will be given the greek alphabetical name "Nu".

    But actually according to the "experts" at the Australian government, this variant is nothing interesting, not like delta that started India at all, and is of no cause for concern. They said UK are overeacting and basically a bunch of pussies for restricting flights from Africa, getting their knickers in a knot for nothing, and Australia will not be doing anything like this.

    https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...9561034965d59c


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    Quote Originally Posted by flameproof:
    Vaccination has no effect on virus transmission. Even vaxxed you can get it - and will transfer it. The vaxx advantage is that in most cases in prevents serious problems.

    If you look at the death statistics you see that death rate really goes up for the 70+ - in many African countries the average age is 25. I see why they are more easy going about it.

    Anyway, what has an effect virus transmission are travel restrictions and social distance.

    Being locked in sux, but means also we are quite well protected here, so far.
    Sure its safe. Same as cutting off your toes to avoid sand flies (chinese saying).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bdw:
    If this variant turns out to be significant, it will be given the greek alphabetical name "Nu".

    But actually according to the "experts" at the Australian government, this variant is nothing interesting, not like delta that started India at all, and is of no cause for concern. They said UK are overeacting and basically a bunch of pussies for restricting flights from Africa, getting their knickers in a knot for nothing, and Australia will not be doing anything like this.

    https://www.news.com.au/world/corona...9561034965d59c
    I would have thought it was way too early yo make calls like that (either way).

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    Quote Originally Posted by binance345:
    This variant has 32 mutations on the spike protein, which is used in most vaccines to prime the immune system to fight against covid. These mutations make it harder for the immune cells to attack the pathogen, and some of them are mutations that help it avoid an immune response.

    The issue now is not the level of vaccination rates, but the need to develop new versions of vaccines that can respond as soon as possible
    Are you a virologist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mucaari:
    Are you a virologist?
    Just paraphrasing what virologist said, if we still believe in the professionalism of scientists

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    Quote Originally Posted by binance345:
    Just paraphrasing what virologist said, if we still believe in the professionalism of scientists
    Well the number of mutations is factual. However, as I understand the efficacy of vaccines on any new variant is hard to predict and probably needs statistical data of at least a few hundred to a few thousand people.

    Especially amidst a general vaccine hesitancy, I don’t think it’s very helpful to talk about „a need to develop a new vaccine“. If this data is not there yet, it’s pure speculation

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    Quote Originally Posted by flameproof:
    Vaccination has no effect on virus transmission. Even vaxxed you can get it - and will transfer it. The vaxx advantage is that in most cases in prevents serious problems.

    If you look at the death statistics you see that death rate really goes up for the 70+ - in many African countries the average age is 25. I see why they are more easy going about it.

    Anyway, what has an effect virus transmission are travel restrictions and social distance.

    Being locked in sux, but means also we are quite well protected here, so far.
    Vaccination does indeed appear to help in decreasing transmission. (Article preview doesn't show, so just click the link to get to the study.)

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2106757
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    Quote Originally Posted by SirNotAppearing:
    Vaccination does indeed appear to help in decreasing transmission.
    Don't get me wrong, vaccination is essential to keep the hospitals empty. But high vaccination rate does not not exclude high infection rate, look at Ireland. Vaccination rate >80% , 7 day moving average rate ~650/100k

    That's very high. I don't follow Hong Kong anymore, but I believe our 7 day rate is well, well below 1, if not below 0.1

    And sure we should take serious precautions about new strains.
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