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    Quote Originally Posted by Peaky:
    Unfortunately I think this level of variation must surely be the product of the virus sitting in someone with HIV or similar compromised immune system for a long time. This has been warned about for some time as something that could well happen in South Africa given the prevalence of HIV among younger people who aren't going to be quickly killed by Covid, but equally potentially never shake it once they contract it. Obviously higher vaccination in the general population would lessen the chances somewhat, but it was probably always going to happen eventually.

    Combination effect of two pandemics. Gulp.

    Hopefully the immunity/vaccine evasion fears and transmissibility estimates are overdone otherwise its 2020 all over again.
    Do you think the covid will be more problematic if more HIV patients catch it? Just more problematic for the individual or potentially new mutations? I think I am reading your message incorrectly, but it sounds like HIV and Covid could create a new super HIV virus that spreads in the air! Now that is something terrifying.

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    No nothing to do with HIV and Covid mixing and becoming airborne HIV... just that to mutate a virus needs to reproduce and to have 30 or 40 mutations which all seem to be effective it's clearly had some time in some poor sod's body to do its thing. Normally someone would fight off covid or die of it within say 3 weeks, but people with HIV can have it for many months and maybe forever as their immune systems don't work well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by D.YU:
    Do you think the covid will be more problematic if more HIV patients catch it? Just more problematic for the individual or potentially new mutations? I think I am reading your message incorrectly, but it sounds like HIV and Covid could create a new super HIV virus that spreads in the air! Now that is something terrifying.
    Why would HIV need to piggyback on Covid when it could easily use the flu virus? Both are (mostly) endemic, both evolve new variants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peaky:
    No nothing to do with HIV and Covid mixing and becoming airborne HIV... just that to mutate a virus needs to reproduce and to have 30 or 40 mutations which all seem to be effective it's clearly had some time in some poor sod's body to do its thing. Normally someone would fight off covid or die of it within say 3 weeks, but people with HIV can have it for many months and maybe forever as their immune systems don't work well.
    I don't get your point then. This is the same issue even with the current variants.

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    Yes agree, this was always a risk. But now it has happened.

    What is different is that this isn't a slight variation from earlier strains, but seems to be a lot of “evolution” in one big step. This suggests a lot of variations have happened in one person who has had covid for a long time and then spread from that person around the community.


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    Certainly fixing Oil prices none of that strategic reserve manipulation was needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shri:
    Certainly fixing Oil prices none of that strategic reserve manipulation was needed.

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    Bitcoin has taken a hammering, no.idea if it is connected to the new variant fear

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    Quote Originally Posted by SirNotAppearing:
    Why would HIV need to piggyback on Covid when it could easily use the flu virus? Both are (mostly) endemic, both evolve new variants.
    Probably just a matter of numbers. Delta is infecting far more people than get influenza each year.

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    So this new variant has already spread to Europe, from a person who had visited Egypt but never been to South Africa. Looks unlikely it can be contained to Southern Africa now.

    Good thing the pandemic is over, according to some learned twats on Geoexpat.

    If the initial fears of this being sufficiently different to the original covid-19 virus to render vaccines significantly less effective come true then it is going to provoke a big policy re-think in developed nations.

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