The PRC government is the best thing that has happened to China in the past 2 centuri

[gilleshk]

REALLY ???
Seems you better tell the UN to amend its records and change history then.

UN Security Council resolutions relating to Iraq

Some people really need to learn to remember the facts, even if like most politicians wanting to get re elected. they disown resolution 1441.

In February 2003, US Secretary of State Colin Powell addressed the United Nations General Assembly, continuing US efforts to gain UN authorization for an invasion. Powell presented evidence alleging that Iraq was actively producing chemical and biological weapons and had ties to al-Qaeda. As a follow-up to Powell’s presentation, the United States, United Kingdom, Poland, Italy, Australia, Denmark, Japan, and Spain proposed a resolution authorizing the use of force in Iraq, but NATO members like Canada, France, and Germany, together with Russia, strongly urged continued diplomacy. Facing a losing vote as well as a likely veto from France and Russia, the US, UK, Spain, Poland, Denmark, Italy, Japan, and Australia eventually withdrew their resolution.[54][55]

[Mat]

I'm being honest, brutually honest.

You are just an act (and a bad one)....

[Freetrader]

The Taliban and Bin Laden were mujahideen. Invading another country without provocation is a crime and so was funneling arms as in the Contra scandal.

Even assuming "the Taliban" were mujahideen...uh, yeah, and I'm American. Does that make me Abe Lincoln? Your arguments are getting increasingly sad. As I said, start a new thread if you want to take a swipe at the US and we can do it there.

[dear giant]

No one knows whether the PRC was the best or the worse thing to happen to China since there are no points of reference.

Taiwan. Taiwan is to China what South Korea is to North Korea.

[gilleshk]

Even assuming "the Taliban" were mujahideen...uh, yeah, and I'm American. Does that make me Abe Lincoln? Your arguments are getting increasingly sad. As I said, start a new thread if you want to take a swipe at the US and we can do it there.

CRG -- Who Is Osama Bin Laden?

It's not an assumption...

You call my argument sad??? What the heck does I'm an american and I'm not Abe Lincoln even mean?

The US funded regimes and individuals that are just as bad as NK.

I don't disagree that as a society to live in, the US is much better than China but on a global political level. I believe the US is at least as bad if not worse than China.

And if you don't want to discuss it, feel free not to respond...

[Renotommy]

they are used in Char Siu Bao

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Hehe, that was disgusting!

Anyway, I am sure there are some hardcore/insane criminals in HK who deserve the death penalty also, but as I mentioned, USUALLY not as many as those in the USA per capita.

[Mat]

Taiwan. Taiwan is to China what South Korea is to North Korea.

A lesson in history/politics is in order here.

[gilleshk]

Taiwan. Taiwan is to China what South Korea is to North Korea.

If you want to compare apple and oranges why not say HK? For one, part of Taiwan and SK's success are due to the fact that they have been supported by the West in the fight against communism.

No one knows whether the KMT would have been able to hold China together, there could have been a 50 year civil war for all we know.

How would Vietnam have turned out if the Americans had won or not stuck their nose where it didn't belong? In a way, the US forced some regimes into isolation and poverty as they did with Cuba.

I am not only blaming the US by the way, it's the Cold War between Russia and the US that caused much of that pain and never really allowed for a softer socialism to take root.

[Renotommy]

Will the world be a more peaceful place if the USA goes back to its "isolationism" as it did before WWII?

[Freetrader]

CRG -- Who Is Osama Bin Laden? The comment was about the Taliban, not OBL

It's not an assumption...

You call my argument sad??? What the heck does I'm an american and I'm not Abe Lincoln even mean?

Obviously you weren't trained in logic. If A is a subset of B, being B does not make one necessarily A

The US funded regimes and individuals that are just as bad as NK.

That comment is so pathetic it could have been written by the OP

I don't disagree that as a society to live in, the US is much better than China but on a global political level. I believe the US is at least as bad if not worse than China.

Well, thank you very much. How gracious of you.

And if you don't want to discuss it, feel free not to respond...

As an American one gets used to the common European attitude that any faint praise of the US (usually spoken by someone who probably has a lot to thank the US for) must be caveated with a comparison with the worst existing regimes. During the Cold War, it was "oh, the Soviets probably aren't any worse than the US", now its, "well, maybe living is the US is not quite as bad as, say, the PRC. Of course, the Iraq War is clearly no different than the murder of political prisoners and oh, 40 or 50 million people. As Trotsky said, 'you can't make an omlet without breaking some eggs'."

The fact that this common attitude is relatively mindless and meaningless doesn't make it less annoying when one is confronted with it. As I've said repeatedly, go bash the US somewhere else, and I'll join you. If you want to praise Hu Jintau and Mao Zedong, here's the place to do it.

To quote George Orwell, in response to Trotsky: "So, where's the omlet?"