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    Actually, I have... The fellow was on its way to Japan for a commemoration ceremony. His answer when questioned about japanese cruelty was that they were just as tough on their own people and that's just the way it was. he bore no ill will towards them.

    Somewhat more enlightened than a certain juvenile poster that likes to post outrageous statements to get attention...


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    Quote Originally Posted by fth:
    What is this balls about a US "isolationist policy"? Can someone pin this one down to some years. Was is it in the early 20th Century (Cuba, Philippines, supporting the Japanese beating up Russians and Koreans)?


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    The wikipedia has the whole thing in details.
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    In the past 20 years immigration to the US has nearly doubled, with the biggest increases among non-white, non Judaeo-Christian immigrants. In 2000, more than one in ten people in America was foreign-born.

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    I think except for a few, the majority of the immigrants coming to the USA is purely for economic reasons - not political. I don't believe they'll give a damn about the USA as a nation or its policies towards the world.


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    Soon it may be known as Los Estados Unidos de América


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    This rambling debate has been brought to you by the Buzzerman Institute for International Misunderstanding

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    Quote Originally Posted by gilleshk:
    Have you visited the Hiroshima museum with all the political letters of the time? It makes for very interesting reading but perhaps there would be too many big words and complicated ideas that you would find very challenging...
    Sure. Let's have a discussion about that. But not here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fth:
    What is this balls about a US "isolationist policy"? Can someone pin this one down to some years. Was is it in the early 20th Century (Cuba, Philippines, supporting the Japanese beating up Russians and Koreans)?
    The US was generally isolationist until WWI. The policy you are referring to applies to the interwar period, after WWI. Wilson went to Versailles determined to remake the world, forced through the League of Nations, etc., etc., however, he was too proud to sell it back home. He had a stroke, became incapacitated, and the US never joined the League of Nations.

    Most people in the US, with some justification (but to an overblown extent) felt that Versailles was too hard on Germany, and many people were disgusted by the idea that the German outpost in Shantung was simply handed to Japan, despite the fact that the Chinese pleaded correctly that it belong to them. The majority of Americans concluded, wrongly, that i.) dumb 'ol USA had been tricked by those wily Britons into fighting their War, and ii.) it was best to stay out of the affairs of the ROW.

    When Germany started breaking the Versailles treaty, a lot of people felt that it was simply justice delayed; those few, such as Churchill, who warned that it would eventually lead to war were deemed 'warmongers'; and the Europeans, who repeatedly looked to the US for leadership and support, were essentially told "you guys work it out yourselves, it's not our affair."

    You presumably know the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gilleshk:
    And now several years down the road and billions of dollars later, the "weak willed" are looking intelligent and the US(and its UK lapdog) has egg all over its face and is desperately trying to get out as gracefully as it can...
    I wouldn't be so sure about that. Was the war in Iraq a success on a cost benefit basis? Probably not, at least, not obviously. But Iraq has a working democracy. The Sunni are no longer lording over the Shiite, and the Kurds have not tried to break up Iraq. It looks somewhat successful to me.
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    Are there any Cliff notes for this thread, the OP is too long to be read past the errors in the first two paragraphs.


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    Mrmoo just to help:

    China bad, US good, Freetrader will never agree with Gilles no matter what, and hongkongfoot is a teenager confused about is sexuality
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