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    Quote Originally Posted by HKITperson:
    Actually the legitimacy of the CCP came from the people. They threw out a corrupt and murderous warlord who was brutally supressing the people which a little help of course from the Americans, British, French and Germans.
    Ha! Do you actually believe that? PLEASE get at least slightly educated before you peddle that nonsense. The CCP won the civil war and were certainly more brutally efficient than the KMT, which was hobbled by the Japanese war (which the
    CCP did practically nothing about, by the way). They have maintained power since through the only force recognized as legitimate by the CCP and their guiding helmsmen - violence.

    And please. don't keep selling the idiocy that China, which has existed for 3000 years, would suddenly fall apart (or perhaps, be conquered by maurading Mongols) should the people be allowed a say in their leaders. No, hacks who repeat the party line and a few naive foreign 'useful idiots' who support the dictatorship can't make a lie the truth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKITperson:
    Yes, and that was the result of turnmoil. Exactly, what I was saying. When there are major upheavals in China... millions die.
    True. It is a fact that no diaster or upheaval has killed more people in China during the last 100 years than the Chinese Communist Party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HKITperson:
    No one is against civil rights or democracy for the Chinese people... but NOW is simply not the right time.

    If the Chinese Government is so bad then why do you think so many people return back there and not defect. In fact when were the last defections from China?
    Yes, I know, and apartheid was a temporary measure, the Nazi anti-Jewish laws were a short term expedient, and Japanese occupation was necessary to 'improve' China. As long as we continue to imprison and execute anyone who disagrees with the CCP leadership, all will be well.

    HKIT, you really are about a week late with this discussion since that point of view was pretty much destroyed in this thread last week. You can't a free a people by enslaving them, period. Only a few blinkered types, like Moving and Football, still believe that China should maintain its gulag system for dissidents.

    Finally, your last two sentences are so ludicrous that I don't know where to begin - "defect"? What is this, the cold war? What the hell do you mean, 'defect'? Of the 1.3 billion Chinese, about 1.29 Billion will cut off their little finger for a US green card - so I don't even know the basis of that ridiculous statement.

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    " Of the 1.3 billion Chinese, about 1.29 Billion will cut off their little finger for a US green card - so I don't even know the basis of that ridiculous statement."

    -> source?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freetrader:
    Yes, I know, and apartheid was a temporary measure, the Nazi anti-Jewish laws were a short term expedient, and Japanese occupation was necessary to 'improve' China. As long as we continue to imprison and execute anyone who disagrees with the CCP leadership, all will be well.

    HKIT, you really are about a week late with this discussion since that point of view was pretty much destroyed in this thread last week. You can't a free a people by enslaving them, period. Only a few blinkered types, like Moving and Football, still believe that China should maintain its gulag system for dissidents. .
    Who's being enslaved? Have you actually been to China you dolt? Also, all those tens of millions flooding to HK, Europe, US for tourism and shopping... I suppose they cut off their iron chains and somehow freed themselves from the Gulags together with their Gucci bags, designer suits and seeking asylum in Disneyland and Ocean Park.


    Quote Originally Posted by Freetrader:
    Finally, your last two sentences are so ludicrous that I don't know where to begin - "defect"? What is this, the cold war? What the hell do you mean, 'defect'? Of the 1.3 billion Chinese, about 1.29 Billion will cut off their little finger for a US green card - so I don't even know the basis of that ridiculous statement.
    Pfffff!!!! What is this nonsense???? ARe you some kind of idiot or just pretend to be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freetrader:
    True. It is a fact that no diaster or upheaval has killed more people in China during the last 100 years than the Chinese Communist Party.
    And you certainly looking to beat that?

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    The CCP will have you believe that now is not right the right time. Of course the time is not right, they need more time to brainwash the rest of the population that has yet to be brainwashed.

    This whole anti-radiation salt drama is the result of a dumbed-down, brainwashed public.

    F.A.O. HKITperson:

    By your measure of when the time is right, that time will never come. The time is never right, there is never enough money, no matter how much you have, and there will always be a disadvantaged lower rung of society.

    Now is all we have. If a country like Taiwan can thrive in a free society and democracy, why can't Hong Kong? Much smaller population, so let's drop this whole '1.30 billion is too many to control' sissy-footing line of thought mkay? It'll set the way for the rest of China to follow suit in ways that will suit them, not in ways that others see fit, which will take time but you have to start somewhere.

    The intention is lacking. The CCP have NO inclination to release their strangle-hold over the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought:
    The CCP will have you believe that now is not right the right time. Of course the time is not right, they need more time to brainwash the rest of the population that has yet to be brainwashed.

    This whole anti-radiation salt drama is the result of a dumbed-down, brainwashed public.
    What you mean people in HK are also brainwashed as well as 2.8B Chinese? This is really the only argument you have isn't it? Can't you think of something more creative?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreadnought:
    This whole anti-radiation salt drama is the result of a dumbed-down, brainwashed public.
    Maybe not the best example.

    Anyone who was watching the news (in the US for example) while the event unfolded could have seen that US citizens were also stocking up on "anti radiation" stuffs - but indeed they are also media brainwashed.

    But I let you guys fight over who is right or wrong and I get back to my reading.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freetrader:
    True. It is a fact that no diaster or upheaval has killed more people in China during the last 100 years than the Chinese Communist Party.
    This site shows how much atrocity is generated by wars and it is shocking how much is from internal strife in the 20th C to today!

    Nations are not nice to each other it seems.

    Not sure that the Mao era can be placed at the current regime's feet any more than Barack Obama can be blamed for the USA's horrific Civil War of 1861-65 which "remains the deadliest war in American history, resulting in the deaths of 620,000 soldiers and an undetermined number of civilian casualties. Ten percent of all Northern males 20–45 years of age died, as did 30 percent of all Southern white males aged 18–40"



    Twentieth Century Atlas - Death Tolls

    While true from all accounts it is also true that China during that time had one of the most populated countries in the world.

    China - 1949 - 1976 - 40 million dead

    Despite the ongoing dispute, he is still regarded as one of the most important figures in modern world history,[7] and was named one of the 100 most influential people of the 20th century by Time Magazine.[8]

    Russian Civil War (Feb 1917 - 1922)

    o Russian military dead - approx 800,000
    o Russian civilian dead - approx 8,000,000


    Iraq 2010

    o Iraq dead Apr 2003 - 2010 = 155,000 (Iraq Body Count Project)


    Colombia drug war deaths
    o Drug deaths per year = 32,000 (approx) due to drugs

    Somalia civil war (1991 - 2004)

    o Total deaths = 500,000 (European Union official estimate)

    Spanish Civil War (July 1936 - April 1939)

    o Total deaths = 500,000

    Source List and Detailed Death Tolls for the Primary Megadeaths of the Twentieth Century
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