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    I don't think Bryant realised there were still dead bodies in the train when they were buried. He didn't deny saying the trains should be buried but that the bodies should be buried...

    Still, I think most of us agree the best thing would've been for the cause of the accident to be 100% confirmed and analysed before any 'cover up' was made.


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    Quote Originally Posted by justjoe86:
    I don't think Bryant realised there were still dead bodies in the train when they were buried.
    I think you are being too charitable. Scroll back to this thread, we were discussing the picture and videos of the bodies/survivors and the next post is bryant with

    This is also, on the other hand, a good chance for China bashers to make up all sorts of conspiracy theory bollocks which will of course be swallowed hook, line and sinker by many anti China bubbleheads..
    So, either he was ignorant of the facts he was commenting on, or just plan ignorant.... or quite possibly both. Either way, he was very clear he agreed with what the Chinese did and how superior it was to what would have happened in Britain.

    My take on this - train crashes are tragic but they happen - everywhere. There are often teething problems, there are design flaws and there is plain old human error... these can combine or act singly to expose flaws in even the best systems. The crash was embarrassing for China, but if it had been correctly handled it would have been fish and chip wrapping in a day or two.

    However, the sheer incompetence of the rescue effort and the lack of any attempt to mount any serious investigation, coupled with the insane decision to literally bury the evidence is pretty shocking to any right-thinking person.... it really shows a lack of any proper systems, governance or leadership... none of which you would expect to find lacking in China.

    That something can be this glaringly incompetently handled is a much worse problem for China then the actual crash itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrit:
    we were discussing the picture and videos of the bodies/survivors and the next post is bryant with
    Do you mean the video that you said you couldn't see? Just want to make sure that we are clear....crystal clear..

    Hmmm, maybe it's my bad, maybe having a discussion about a video you can't see, which others say they saw, but had the offending scenes edited out......maybe that's evidence........oh oh, time to start back - peddling!!!! Queue Benny Hill style music.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrit:
    The crash was embarrassing for China, but if it had been correctly handled it would have been fish and chip wrapping in a day or two.

    True. China's reaction is a bit like when a five year old does something bad in full view of his parents and then instead of saying 'sorry' starts screaming and shouting

    "I DIDN'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!! I DDDDIIIIDDDDNNNNN'TTTTT!!!!!!!!"

    The childish mentality is all that stops the child realising how stupid he looks, how obvious it is he's lying, and how much worse trouble it is getting him into.

    So I guess what I'm saying is that by expecting to just cover up a train crash (in the year 2011 where the average person has a camera phone in their pocket ready to upload a video and photos to the internet at the click of a button), and expect to get away with it, amounts to having the intelligence of a small, slightly retarded child...

    I realise the above may offend some people, (Small children especially)
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    Quote Originally Posted by shri:
    US and European rail infrastructures are old and under-maintained. .
    the two are not comparable at all _ riding a train in France is a pleasure, riding one in the US is torture!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat:
    the two are not comparable at all _ riding a train in France is a pleasure, riding one in the US is torture!
    Having ridden on trains all over Europe (and in China, Japan too for that matter) I would have to second this one 100%. My trip across the US on a train a few years back was one of the worst train experiences I can recall (and I travelled by train in the UK a LOT in the 80's, so it's hard to beat on awfulness). They were 15 hours late on an 8 hour trip; ran out of food; the "cabin" was more akin to a "coffin" and the other passengers were all nutcases. Whereas in Europe, trains are typically on time, clean, fast and with facilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryant.english:
    Do you mean the video that you said you couldn't see? Just want to make sure that we are clear....crystal clear..
    The video I couldn't see at work, but the one I watched fine at home. Plus, the pictures in the Standard... I guess you are ignorant of those too? Or you think the arm isn't a real arm? It's been planted there by "China bashing bubbleheads".



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    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrit:
    The video I couldn't see at work, but the one I watched fine at home. Plus, the pictures in the Standard... I guess you are ignorant of those too? Or you think the arm isn't a real arm? It's been planted there by "China bashing bubbleheads".
    Proof that there were dead people on the train? China never denied that...apart from that, the picture you've posted shows nothing but poor taste on your part and only increases my contempt for you.

    You could even put a new caption on that picture - Rescue worker reaches for towel
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    Back in the states, I have never ridden a train nor have I ever known of anyone who has taken a train. We either drive or we fly, no point in taking trains when public transpo suchs back in the states.

    Back home usually the ones who take trains back home are nutcases, just released ex cons, or those afraid of air travel...

    Hence why we dont take them .


    Quote Originally Posted by MovingIn07:
    Having ridden on trains all over Europe (and in China, Japan too for that matter) I would have to second this one 100%. My trip across the US on a train a few years back was one of the worst train experiences I can recall (and I travelled by train in the UK a LOT in the 80's, so it's hard to beat on awfulness). They were 15 hours late on an 8 hour trip; ran out of food; the "cabin" was more akin to a "coffin" and the other passengers were all nutcases. Whereas in Europe, trains are typically on time, clean, fast and with facilities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bryant.english:
    Proof that there were dead people on the train? China never denied that...apart from that, the picture you've posted shows nothing but poor taste on your part and only increases my contempt for you.

    You could even put a new caption on that picture - Rescue worker reaches for towel
    You really are a nasty piece of work.

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