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    One can make anything sound like anything, its just playing with words, BUT, the fact of the matter is, Taiwan is to China what England is to USA...

    Last edited by gunsnroses; 20-08-2012 at 01:10 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pizzalover:
    Not really.. he made sound like China is competing with Taiwan
    Because they are competing, watch some other news channel then CCTV please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dear giant:
    To the extent that any country has a case for owning the islands, Japan has the strongest case. Japan has had possession of the islands since 1895 (with a period of US control that ended when they reverted to Japanese control) and a Japanese fish-processing business with hundreds of workers supposedly actually operated on the island for decades before WW2.

    Next in line would be Taiwan. China comes a way, way distant third.

    Also, as far as the countries being the same I'll agree with you when the Japanese government incites that country's citizens to riot in the streets.
    I am talking about the knee jerk reaction of part of the population/establishment (a minority) in both countries.

    As for who has he best claim, they should just put it in front of an international comission, present their cases let them decide and basta.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat:
    I am talking about the knee jerk reaction of part of the population/establishment (a minority) in both countries.

    As for who has he best claim, they should just put it in front of an international comission, present their cases let them decide and basta.
    Which is what the Philippines proposed over the Scarborough Shoal, but for some reason the Chinese don't like this idea - an admission that they have little claim.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hullexile:
    Which is what the Philippines proposed over the Scarborough Shoal, but for some reason the Chinese don't like this idea - an admission that they have little claim.

    Perhaps/perhaps not (I am no gvt official nor do I know of any high ranked enough in both countries to tell me what is/was really going on) except here we are not talking about the Scarborough here and Japan is a much stronger (sorry Hull) opponent that the Philippines.

    So both countries should cut the crap and move fwd.

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    What do both countries need with the islands? They have plenty of land anyway.

    Do the Chinese wish to build luxuary shopping malls and have the Japanese simply run out of locations to make porn movies?


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    It can only be a matter of time before they're demonstrating outside Japan Home stores!


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    Quote Originally Posted by dear giant:
    (2.) China will pull back the fishing boats and rafts and try something real with one of their neighbors and get their butts kicked ... which will lead to #1 happening anyway.
    That depends on who that neighbor is. If you are talking about the Philippines, China can easily demolish whatever military units Manila send to Scarborough Shoal, if it comes to a actual conflict. Manila is no match for Beijing. Despite what the Americans say, they aren't interested in backing Manila to fight a war with Beijing.

    If you are talking about Vietnam, they would be a tougher opponent to Beijing, but at the end of the day Beijing will still prevail in any war over the islands in the South China Sea.

    Japan is the only Asian neighbor with current territorial disputes with Beijing that has a military edge over China.
    Last edited by Watercooler; 20-08-2012 at 02:39 PM.

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    The US will have to get involved if China really does try anything nasty regardless of whether the target is Japan, the Philippines, or Vietnam (which has begun dramatically warming up to Washington, as has Myanmar). The saner elements in Beijing are aware of this but they might be overruled by delusional Boxer-Rebellion-retread-wannabes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by bdw:
    Whatever the situation is on these islands, I cant believe how stupid Chinese people are for attacking restaurants like Ajisen ramen (which are not even Japanese owned) and overturning cars owned by their own people. I had lunch with a Japanese guy just now who is laughing at the Chinese for their acts of barbarianism against themselves. The Chinese have almost brought themselves down to the level of stupidity of the British (London riots last year) or the Australians (Cronulla) or or course the Americans (no need to cite example here because everyone knows how stupid Americans are). Just a bunch of thugs looking for any excuse to run amok.
    Nationalism is not rational or logical. It thrives on constructed identities, blood or religious ties and differences. Yet the way it manifest itself is, in some ways, remarkably similar. Doesn't matter whether you are a Brit, Aussie, Jap or Chinese nationalist.

    Come to think of it, if you look at locals and the way they react over the islands and the way Mainlanders react over the islands, don't you find the locals much more sane and down-to-earth? At least in this respect, HK locals can be admired.
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