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    Bringing China to heel would be easy peasy if the desire were truly there

    (1.) Freeze the overseas bank accounts of Mainland leaders, their families, and any person or entity found to be acting as a front for them. No more golden parachutes for dictators and their buddies.

    (2.) Refuse visas to Mainland leaders, their families, their friends, etc. Make it clear that Mainland nationals in these categories will be kept out of the USA/UK/etc. even if they attempt to slip in under other passports (e.g. HK, for example). No more luxe prep schools and Ivy League educations for dictators' kids and their buddies.

    (3.) Publicize the identities of the bank account holders and the amounts in these accounts within the PRC if, by necessary, air-dropping pamphlets from unarmed drones or painting the information on the exterior walls of the US/UK/etc. embassies and consulates. Do the same for leaders whose spawn are receiving expensive overseas schooling and missing out on oh-so-essential "national education".

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    And that kind of approach worked so well on Iran and North Korea.

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    Yu do know that China could bankrupt the U.S anytime right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MovingIn07
    And that kind of approach worked so well on Iran and North Korea.
    Actually, it has had an impact. That impact has, of course, been softened by the fact that the world's two largest rogue states, the PRC and Russia, are helping those countries to circumvent such measures.

    From Russia and China's point of view, it's great to have counties like Iran and North Korea stirring up trouble because it distracts everyone from the real trouble makers (Russia and China).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo
    DG

    Yu do know that China could bankrupt the U.S anytime right?
    By selling all of their US Treasury bonds for pennies on the dollar and blowing their own brains out, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dear giant
    Actually, it has had an impact. That impact has, of course, been softened by the fact that the world's two largest rogue states, the PRC and Russia, are helping those countries to circumvent such measures.

    From Russia and China's point of view, it's great to have counties like Iran and North Korea stirring up trouble because it distracts everyone from the real trouble makers (Russia and China).
    Add your homeland to that list please. The recent mess they made a bit everywhere didn't help much

    The last few years have been a tad better but the early 00' were rather disastrous for the US. Btw the US is supporting rogue states big time so...

    Anyway. bringing China to its knee is NOT the solution (it's hard to understand for people who were brought up in a "if you are not with us, you are against us" mentality), helping China opening and developping is the solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat
    Add your homeland to that list please. The recent mess they made a bit everywhere didn't help much

    The last few years have been a tad better but the early 00' were rather disastrous for the US. Btw the US is supporting rogue states big time so...

    Anyway. bringing China to its knee is NOT the solution (it's hard to understand for people who were brought up in a "if you are not with us, you are against us" mentality), helping China opening and developping is the solution.
    Generally, the USA goes into a situation with positive intentions but then encounters reality: third worldy places where people splash acid on women's faces for wanting to learn to read aren't third worldy because they don't have enough / nice-enough schools ... they don't have enough schools and splash acid on little kids' faces because they are enormously, militantly culturally backward and all of the new schools in the world aren't going to fix that.

    Some commentators gloat about places like Afghanistan being the "graveyard[s] of empires" ... but those places that "beat" the outsiders go on to continue suffering and being backwards and poor and miserable while the empires brush the metaphorical dust off their shoulders and go on to keep modernizing and developing.

    There have been successes, however. See America's friends: South Korea, Taiwan, Western Europe after WW2, etc. Now, compare to Eastern Europe pre-1989 (Russia's friends) or North Korea or Cambodia while the Khmer Rouge were running the country (China's buddies).

    As for China "opening up" and "developing", that has been ongoing for 30+ years and, as dictatorships are wont to do, the process has been managed by the CCP so that China is becoming more of a threat to its own citizens and its neighbors than it used to be. The leadership needs to go for any real democratization to take place.
    Last edited by dear giant; 26-10-2012 at 04:18 PM. Reason: 20 -> 30 years

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    DG this has to be the biggest troll bait in a while... Be interesting to see where it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt_NT
    DG this has to be the biggest troll bait in a while... Be interesting to see where it goes.
    If the steps 1-3 in the top post were actually carried out, there might be a coup or at least some major gyrations up north.

    The lords of Mordor talk a great game about how the place is rising and going to become a superpower etc., all while setting up and provisioning their own overseas boltholes. There are some true believers, but they're too stupid to be dangerous to the world at large. The hypocrites are the ones that bear watching.

    Similarly, in HK, many of the wealthy and powerful idiots in mismatched shirts, ties, and suits who blather on about the vital, burning need in HK for national and moral (as if the two were connected!) education ... quietly send their kids overseas to their own motherland's foes to be educated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dear giant
    Generally, the USA goes into a situation with positive intentions...
    Positive intention for USA, yup gotto hand you that one. Alas, its not positive for anyone else involved...
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