Congressmen Accuse China of Spying

[Football16]

I wouldn't have believed this if I didn't see Lou Dobbs on CNN TV and this segment. At first I thought that these two hillbilly Congressmen were some sort of comedy act but as it went on I realized these guys are real. The words aren't half as good as they were in the video clips=================

DOBBS: All right, thank you very much Lisa -- Lisa Sylvester from Washington.

Well, as we've reported here, literally for years, there are more than 3,500 communist Chinese front companies operating in this country with the specific purpose of targeting sensitive American intelligence and information technology. Cyber attacks against U.S. military networks soared by 55 percent last year.

The Pentagon now reports three million cyber attacks each and every day. Joining me now two outspoken critics of U.S. policy on China, Congressman Thaddeus McCotter, a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee, also investigating the Chinese hacking of Congressional computers -- good to have you with us Congressman -- and Congressman Zach Wamp a member of the Appropriations Committee who believes the country, this country should lift the ban on offshore oil drilling before Cuba and China get to work and tap valuable resources off our shores -- good to have you with us, Congressman.

REP. ZACH WAMP (R) TENNESSEE: Thank you sir...

DOBBS: Let's start with, first, the fact that there are 3,500 front companies operating in this country, 3,500 we know of. Why is there no reaction on the part of the United States government to their presence and to their activities?

WAMP: Thaddeus.

REP. THADDEUS MCCOTTER (R), MICHIGAN: Well, Lou, the problem quite simply is they care more about money than the sovereignty and liberty of the United States citizens. What we're starting to see repeatedly from communist China is their belief in engaging in unrestricted warfare upon the United States.

That includes economic, strategic informational and every means available to help gain (INAUDIBLE) over the United States. What we have to do is the people who were elected to keep America the greatest nation on the face of the earth is remember that we are the party of (INAUDIBLE) liberator (INAUDIBLE) the appeaser and deal with these threats. In the footage that you earlier ran you heard every excuse in the book about how Congress has to defend itself from cyber attacks, but you heard not one single thing about the fact that these attacks are being perpetrated by a nuclear arm communist dictatorship known as the People's Republic of China.

DOBBS: Well, as you gentlemen know, this broadcast I believe may be the only one on television in this country that still refers to China as communist. We have had people ask us, Congressman, why we refer to China as a communist country. Our response is because it is a communist country. What is the deal in Washington where people don't even want to acknowledge that?

WAMP: Lou, I was in Shanghai in January and their responsibility is grossly lacking from the environment to responsibility on trade, a million issues, but I think that we're playing defense with China because everybody in Washington through one administration after the other thinks that we somehow have to suck up to them because they're such a big market, potentially, for us.

But we're swimming way upstream and we're getting slaughtered and I don't think we should have the trade agreements we have with them until they respect human rights and individual liberty because you can't have free trade without free people and it takes responsibility. They want free markets without any responsibility.

MCCOTTER: Lou, if I can...

DOBBS: Sure.

MCCOTTER: ... your remark about communist China, I refer to them as communist China and I have had Republicans take umbrage and they say to me well they're not really communists. And I said then why are there 73.4 million card-carrying communists in the People's Republic of China that would contradict you? If someone walked into your room and said I'm a Democrat, you wouldn't say Democrats don't exist anymore.

The reality is they don't call it communist China because they want to continue to operate under the myth that unconstructive appeasement is somehow going to take our relationship between the two nations to a more sublime level, and the reality is it's only going to continue to injure the United States of America.

DOBBS: Hence $1.6 trillion in foreign reserves held by China at this moment. Let me ask you gentlemen to listen to our Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson on the issue of the relationship with China during the so-called strategic dialogue with China last week.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

HENRY PAULSON, TREASURY SECRETARY: I don't see why Chinese officials can't say something about the dollar weakness. Everybody else seems to say it around the world. And I always make the same point that we have -- every economy has ups and downs. We're going through a tougher period right now. But we're doing -- I think, the right thing.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

DOBBS: Could either of you gentlemen enumerate, Congressman Wamp, let's start with you. I mean could either of you enumerate one thing that this administration and this treasury department is doing correctly when it comes to U.S. economic policy?

REP. ZACH WAMP (R), TENNESSEE: No, I talked to Vice President Cheney about it during the one manipulation and frankly, they have a whole different culture there. They don't respect intellectual property. Their attitude is what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine and we see that with information. They think if the information, if they can get to it, they're going to claim it anywhere in the world. It's a huge cultural difference. There's no honor, really. When I ask them about the environment because we're talking about global warming, yet they're a developing nation, one fourth of the world's population, they said this. You had your industrial revolution. Now we're having ours. But at what expense to the rest of the world? They ignore that, so there's a huge breakdown between their way of life and ours.

DOBBS: You might say, Congressmen, that it's less a matter of honor that we have greater honor and they have greater intelligence and political will than we do.

Congressman McCotter, the attacks on the U.S. congress, cyber attacks on our Pentagon, why in the world can't the most advanced technological nation in the world stop this?

REP. THADDEUS MCCOTTER (R), MICHIGAN: I think the first problem, again, Lou, is we have to make sure we point out the culprit is the people's liberation army. They have an informational warfare division that is designed to do precisely this.

I would agree that the United States has to defend its cyber security. We have also seen instances with companies that have provided cyber defenses to the United States that the Chinese communists have tried to buy them.

One of the big issues that you've been on and other people have to watch is the sovereign wealth fund issue. The sovereign wealth fund is simply a euphemism for foreign government and when a communist government comes in and buys free market assets and entities in the United States, that's called socialism and it makes the private sector smaller.

My largest concern about this is when you talk about the United States being able to do things, they have to wake up. Just as the Soviet Union was a strategic threat and rival model of governance to the United States for the greatest generation, communist China for this generation is a strategic threat and rival model of governance especially to a developing world, and as a free people, we have to wake up to the threat.

DOBBS: Well said, Congressman, if I may say. Congressman McCotter, thank you very much. Congressman Wamp, thank you very much. Gentlemen, good to have you us with. Come back soon.

MCCOTTER: Thank you, Lou.

VAMP: Thanks Lou.

[Pokfulamphil]

Well, Football 16

You seem so intelligent and well-informed but I think you're in denial as it's a simple fact that China spies on everyone. Every PRC student studying in the West has a family there. The Public Security Bureau uses this to simply ask these students to supply little bits of information. Those little bits add up to a lot of information and when it's colated and some analysis is done, that's called intelligence.

Why is it that when the FBI catches a Chinese spy in the U.S. that they are either academics, are naturalized U.S. citizens working for defense contractors, university professors or students? It's because China uses this method to spy.

It's easy because the U.S. is an open, pluralistic society where most people (even Chinese spies) are protected by the U.S. Constitution, quite unlike China.

It's a simple fact so why deny it?

[jgl]

Is Football denying anything? Or is he just posting up some amusing ranting by some politicians?

Anyway, I'm sure that the video was more entertaining than the text. Which I'd be surprised if anyone will read all the way through.

[Boris]

" an informational warfare division " ????
Looks like the US is well ahead of the Chinese in this area.
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What ever happened to real reporters and real news reporting ?

Industrial espionage - everyone does it . Remember Concordski ( TU144 ). Stalin stole Strato Fortresses to make Russia's first long range bombers. Didn't Russia's space shuttle look like the US one ( just couldn't get the rocket to work ).

American corporations steal about every design if its not nailed down and the Japs take your ideas and make them - better !

Problem is with China. Everyones looking to get rich so if they see a good idea they tell their friends about it who rip it off. Then the FBI call it spying. So if they REALLY cared 1) Don't employ people who have any friends in any country and especially not Chinese 2) Stop leaving confidential or secret stuff laying about so anyone can nick it.

At least the Brits ( who where informed by MI5 / 6 of the FSB task to steal the concord plans ) made a false set of specs and fed the spy machine so the copy would fall out of the sky ( twice ). Several spies where caught on the French side with early development drawings. Don't get mad get even ?

Unfortunately that doesn't make mindless tele using mindless and insular senators put into toothless voting positions on influential committees.

[mengfei]

....another Cold War warming up

both side have their own pies i mean spies every where. I bet a lot of Laptops will be missing this coming Olympics

[PDLM]

You seem so intelligent and well-informed but I think you're in denial as it's a simple fact that China spies on everyone. Every PRC student studying in the West has a family there. The Public Security Bureau uses this to simply ask these students to supply little bits of information. Those little bits add up to a lot of information and when it's colated and some analysis is done, that's called intelligence.

And you think the US, UK, France and other western countries don't spy on China? Don't be ridiculous - the consulates here have been the base for the minders for their spies in China for decades.

[supercat7]

It's the sort of thing you hear on Fox News, not CNN. And these congressmen help run the country... the US is in trouble.

the spy vs. spy things serves the interest of the those who gain from military spending and they need a public perception of an enemy to perpetuate the increasing defence budgets.

73.4 million card carrying communists are the same as the thousands of people in Britain who join the Conservative clubs - not because they believe in anything, but becuase of the perks - (which in British Conservative clubs is cheap beer!)

Pokfulamphil's point about the Chinese students having family in the US overstates things - in fact, the visa section at the US consulates in China rarely offer visas to Chinese students who want to stay anywhere near their US relatives and prefer card-carrying communists with good connections in China because that means they are more likely to leave the US after they complete their studies - it's all about ties to China vs. ties to the US, and US immigration prefers the former.

[hullexile]

Well, Football 16

You seem so intelligent and well-informed but I think you're in denial as it's a simple fact that China spies on everyone. Every PRC student studying in the West has a family there.

Somehow I don't think that's true. I send loads of students from China to the UK every year and not one of them has had a relative there.

[KnowItAll]

hullexile - I think he means "there = china".

DIdn't someone post a link to how a mainland student's family was abused and essentially run out of town because she posted a pro-tibet (given that some of her classmates were from Tibet) message on a bulletin board?

[Pokfulamphil]

Yeah, I meant that all Chinese students still have families in China and the Security Bureau uses that leverage to get students to provide bits of information to the Mutherland.

Thanks KnowItAll. Sorry for the misunderstanding and my bad writing.