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    Quote Originally Posted by AsianXpat0:
    When the people are more rational than the authorities, it signals something…
    It's a fascinating third phase of the crisis for China.

    After fumbling the initial Wuhan outbreak, they did a very good job of subsequently controlling the narrative for two years. But is that finally coming unstuck?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GentleGeorge:
    It's a fascinating third phase of the crisis for China.

    After fumbling the initial Wuhan outbreak, they did a very good job of subsequently controlling the narrative for two years. But is that finally coming unstuck?
    I think it’s not hard to link the current pains as the flip side of the past year of “success” in maintaining an unsustainable policy. With control as their priority it looks like they can carry on, but it’s only a question of cost, and how often they have to go through this rigamarole.

    China being China, the narrative will continue to be as the state directs. Does anybody hold any illusions that the few people in China who might think otherwise can do anything about it?

    Which is incidentally the reason why engagement has failed, as those of us hoping for better for the Chinese can do nothing for them. In terms of realpolitik, if they weren’t threatening the world order they might have been left alone, but it really is naive to uncritically take on board the state viewpoints in an attempt to be “fair”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shri:
    This report does imply that the number of cases is just a little bit more than indicated in official counts.



    https://www.thestandard.com.hk/break...tion/3/188803/
    Hardly comparable, but reminded me of this tragic story. Long read warning.
    Of course, the shanghai separations will leave no such long term impacts.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...o-love/612253/

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    What are the demographics of Shanghai compared to HK, and the vaxx rate of their elderly? Surely the deaths will start to follow, and given the information that's leaking out now, we're going to hear about it.

    On a side note, what do people think the chaos happening in Shanghai means for HK? If CUT is still on the cards, I think it becomes less likely now? On the basis that if even China can't manage to keep everyone fed during lockdown, plus the negative stories that are leaking out from China with its strong control of the internet - think how much worse both would be in HK.


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    And what's the friggin' point of this CUT anyway? Let's assume it's all working out as planned in theory: you get entire population tested in short time and all that test positive get isolated until they are negative again.
    Then you have reduced your Covid incidence to nearly zero, but not to zero. And then you start the exponential growth again. And in 6 weeks time you are back where you were.

    Buys you time. But otherwise it's a goddamn vicious circle!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielFRA:
    And what's the friggin' point of this CUT anyway? Let's assume it's all working out as planned in theory: you get entire population tested in short time and all that test positive get isolated until they are negative again.
    Then you have reduced your Covid incidence to nearly zero, but not to zero. And then you start the exponential growth again. And in 6 weeks time you are back where you were.

    Buys you time. But otherwise it's a goddamn vicious circle!
    Absolutely, and that's what the experts are saying. It's totally political - a desire in some quarters for HK to open to China first. But it's very unlikely China will open to HK before it opens to the rest of the world, so it's a totally pointless exercise. And also not only pointless - harmful, and it will lead to more deaths, both through the economic impact and due to reducing Covid population immunity again so more will die in the inevitable next wave.

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