4 June censorship in China

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    twitter, hotmail and flickr are not exactly popular amongst the Chinese - they are using sites such as Tianya, 163, QQ and Xiaone. If the intent was to stop the flow of information, then surely these sites would be blocked.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Claire ex-ax:
    Most Chinese have absolutely no idea what happened twenty years ago.
    I would say most Chinese under 25 do not have much of an idea; those older certainly do and those who have studied abroad (including Hong Kong) are aware.

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    The relevant government has worked very hard to ensure the majority of its citizens knows nothing about June 4th, other than a few who think it was just a "political incident" or know what happened. It's not going to stop, particularly now.

    Anyone planning to read Zhao's book?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MovingIn07:
    After all, most of the key players are dead now
    Which leaders? The Government ones or the students ones?

    See BBC: Hong Kong blocks Tiananmen exile

    Xiang Xiaoji refused entry. Xiong Yan allowed in.

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    BBC: China's Tiananmen generation speaks

    Of seven interviews, several appear to know quite a lot, or want to know more.

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    Disheartening... the extent of "don't really know" or "don't really care" attitudes around, especially amongst teenagers here.

    Not their fault, as Claire and others have pointed out; years and years of quiet sweeping it all away under carpets/floorboards, while other more pressing right-now issues like how to "scratch a living", survive the latest "tsunami" and other scary, contagious "unknowns" preoccupy ordinary joes.

    Dissent, even glimmers of difference, followed by (justified) questioning about how things are done... deemed the TOTAL OPPOSITE of a smooth-running, "harmonious" society? Thus, must be instantly muffled. Shut up.

    And those HKers who might, from time to time, give a toss, just succumb (again) to self-censorship... for want of an easier life, coz not worth the bother.

    I've met quite a few young adults in the mainland (was helping them with their Eng), and when I asked what they thought about not being able to access certain websites or watch certain programmes - their expressions flickered not one sec (and why would they?), "Ah - well - don't try too hard looking for them, coz anyways, used to it..."

    I'm also reminded of a verbal tussle with one normally very friendly student from the mainland, completing his Ph.D at a HK uni here - summarised gist:

    "Why do you bother going to June 4th vigils? You weren't even in China/HK at the time. And you don't know for a fact what happened. You just believe everything the media says... What do YOU know?"

    "Why SO negative about China - your parent's homeland?"
    [this phrase in verbatim; experienced similar a coupla times]

    Typical. Often when such discussions turn into an argument and gets more than a little hairy, the naive, UNpatriotic labels sprout - in an attempt to wipe out all that's been said before. (Yeah, ah... well...)

    Last edited by emmie; 03-06-2009 at 04:04 PM. Reason: Excuse my low rant

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    Those chinese websites are censored. It is not easy for CCP to censor foreign websites, so they just block them.

    Quote Originally Posted by drumbrake:
    twitter, hotmail and flickr are not exactly popular amongst the Chinese - they are using sites such as Tianya, 163, QQ and Xiaone. If the intent was to stop the flow of information, then surely these sites would be blocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizzalover:
    Those chinese websites are censored. It is not easy for CCP to censor foreign websites, so they just block them.
    Yes and No. Sometimes, while the BBC sports pages can be accessed, the news article mentioning a coal mine disaster in China cannot. Agree that the Chinese sites are censored - any thread or post that is considered to delicate is deleted, and there are key word detectors which leads to euphemisms such as "doing push-ups" and "eluding the cat" to get around them. Maybe there are glimmers of dissent after all.

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    There is quite a good 3 minute summary of the demonstrations on CNN. (sorry, can't get the link to work)

    A great bit in there on Zhao Ziyang saying that "We have failed you", with the current Prime Minister Wen Jiabao standing behind him (was a senior advisor to Ziyang at the time). Interesting.

    Last edited by Crocodile; 03-06-2009 at 05:02 PM. Reason: no link

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    While I agree that the general idea of a censorship is not good and do not agree with the Chinese gvt position on this you also have to remember that STILL for the vast majority of China what is important NOW is to put food in their plate....the rest is pur blabla that does not feed their belly....Politic is a past time for rich people...when they will reach a certain degree of development / maturity they will surely hve more time in their hands to seek for additionnal political debate etc etc....


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