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    Pakistan Fake Pilots

    Flying from Pakistan and worried if the person in the seat beside you is infected? Maybe worry more about who is in the pilot seat.

    After a preliminary investigation of the recent Lahore crash, one third of pilots have been grounded due to fake credentials and exam cheating.

    https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/25/b...hnk/index.html


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    Does hint at the cause of that recent crash in Karachi. The preliminary report said it was pilot error. Maybe we need to ask whether those pilots were properly licensed too?


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    Was not aware of this ... and that modern aircraft would allow this to happen without any warnings or manual overrides.

    The pilots proceeded with trying to land -- without lowering the landing gear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shri:
    Was not aware of this ... and that modern aircraft would allow this to happen without any warnings or manual overrides.
    There are ground proximity warnings, so definitely there was warning in the cockpit, but the pilot proceeded anyway. As for "manual overide", the pilot has the final say and ultimate control over landing, not ATC or the plane's systems. If the pilot ignore the warnings, then there is nothing much that can be done.
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    Pakistan is on a slowly-lengthening list of countries I won't be visiting.


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    Quote Originally Posted by shri:
    Was not aware of this ... and that modern aircraft would allow this to happen without any warnings or manual overrides.
    The aircraft would certainly have warned about it, but as many episodes of Aircrash Investigations show, confused, stressed or distracted crew can be tuned out and deaf to even the loudest warning tones.
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    For anyone wanting to hear the final communication between ATC and the ill-fated PIA plane before it crashed, here it is:

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    @shri, modern aircrafts are fitted with a Ground Proximity Warning System, even sometimes on light aircrafts, that has both visual and audio alerts. The below video - very very famous in Aviation Training Organizations back home - is used to illustrate what is called "tunnel vision", which happens when, focused on a task, some of the pilot's senses are inhibited.
    In the video, the pilot on the left has several thousand hours of experience, and the guy on the right is an instructor. And no, their licences are not fake !

    I presume our Pakistanese pilots without proper licences would have been pretty focused during their approach !

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5McECUtM8fw

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    I presume our Pakistanese pilots without proper licences would have been pretty focused during their approach !
    There is a line in an NYT article which states that the Captain was an "experienced" pilot. I assume many of the unlicensed pilots are new recruits. (Again... no clue.. just random speculation)

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    I haven't read the NYT article, shri, but being an "experienced pilot" and being "adequately licensed, current and fit to fly a particular Type of airplane" are two very different things !

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